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Mighty Fish

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Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« on: November 16, 2013, 04:43:38 PM »
Mike Aleshire, who has nearly 70 certified perfect games in the books, is now apparently attempting to match Kent Wagner's feat of rolling every score from 290 to 300.

On his Facebook timeline, Aleshire has posted the following, and I quote: So since there is only one 300 per life time now I'm going to try and bowl every score from 290 - 300.

Last Monday night, however, he rolled 11 in a row before rolling a gutter ball in an attempt to roll a 291. His failed attempt is mentioned in this bowling column ...

http://www.examiner.com/article/three-perfect-games-and-a-failed-attempt-at-291-headline-high-score-report?cid=db_articles

 

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2013, 06:50:31 PM »
I did something very similar on Tuesday. I started with a double with my raptor talon didn't like the look so switched to my tribal. After the front nine I told my friend if I get front 11 pick another ball for me cause I wanted to shoot 300 with 3 different balls. So I threw the 12th strike with a primal rage. There are still ways to have fun with 300 without sacrificing score.
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2013, 08:23:49 AM »
What would happen to golf if everyone started routinely shooting low 60s and maybe even below 60? 
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2013, 09:14:44 AM »
You can't compare golf and bowling.  You could make every hole 350 yards and straight and golf would still be hard for most people.  Too many moving parts. 

Anyone with some rotation on a bowling ball can hit the pocket on the conditions they usually bowl on.

170 average bowlers shoot 300.  20 handicap golfers don't break 70.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2013, 09:33:26 AM »
Well by saying everyone I wasn't literally meaning everyone.  I meant scratch golfers and decent golfers.  There are also 20 handicap golfers that have holes in one.  If you funneled golf courses like the bowling lane is funneled I believe you'd get closer . . if the fairway sloped down towards the middle and the greens sloped towards the hole like the lane conditions funnel a ball towards the pocket in bowling, I think it wouldn't be much different at all. Regardless, the point remains.  The difficulty of golf leaves more success to be attained.  Back when 300s only came once a career, there was always that pursuit.  Now the pursuit is much lower, partly because it's easy, and partly because your general under 180 average bowler doesn't care about shooting 300, they're there to socialize and drink.  There are some factors not being accounted for here. 

You can't compare golf and bowling.  You could make every hole 350 yards and straight and golf would still be hard for most people.  Too many moving parts. 

Anyone with some rotation on a bowling ball can hit the pocket on the conditions they usually bowl on.

170 average bowlers shoot 300.  20 handicap golfers don't break 70.
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2013, 10:05:35 AM »
This has nothing to do with USBC, and everything to do with integrity.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2013, 10:14:27 AM »
Actually it has everything to do with the USBC.  They are the governing body of our sport, directly responsible for maintaining integrity. 

This has nothing to do with USBC, and everything to do with integrity.
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2013, 10:19:19 AM »
Lane conditions are a result of proprietors giving their customers what they want.  Bowling centers can survive without the USBC.  If the USBC doesn't change the rules to what the proprietors want then there will be even fewer sanctioned bowlers and the USBC won't survive.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2013, 11:06:46 AM »
This is the guy's way of being butthurt. If he did that in nonsanctioned play, that's different. If he did that in a tournament, that's different. Just because he disagrees with a rule that USBC has doesn't make the action right. That just shows the rest of the world that all bowlers are just crybabies.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2013, 11:51:20 AM »
How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2013, 12:29:39 PM »
Although it is very unlikely, if I ever do get to 70 300 games, you can damn well bet, I'm going for 71!!!

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2013, 01:43:31 PM »
How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.

He has the front 11 that is why it is NOT considered sand bagging he has 290 locked up i am shre that is well over his average
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2013, 01:57:22 PM »
According to many, having 70+ 300s makes the sport look easy.  If he tried hard to get to 71, some people would sarcastically say, "congrats on your 71st 300 on a house shot." 

When he doesn't try hard and tries to do something fun, some people say, "Don't you have any integrity?"

What is this guy supposed to do?  His 71st 300 means the sport is too easy. His 290-300 mocks the sport.  I'd do whatever makes me happy.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2013, 02:27:07 PM »
According to many, having 70+ 300s makes the sport look easy.  If he tried hard to get to 71, some people would sarcastically say, "congrats on your 71st 300 on a house shot." 

When he doesn't try hard and tries to do something fun, some people say, "Don't you have any integrity?"

What is this guy supposed to do?  His 71st 300 means the sport is too easy. His 290-300 mocks the sport.  I'd do whatever makes me happy.

I agree, he should do what makes him happy.  But not at the expense of the sport. 

Since he has 70+ 300s, I will assume he will have more than one chance this year to shoot 300.  If he purposely throws off to attempt a 291 or 292, then he has reduced his total pinfall by 17 pins.  Will anyone really care?  Probably not.  But it is still sandbagging.

We continually complain how our sport has no integrity, yet we don't care if a person throws off on purpose?  Golfers around the world would complain if Joe Shmoe used a foot wedge to get out from behind a tree (there is a commercial about it) but we don't hold our participants to a similar standard.  That is where the problem is.  We claim to have integrity only when it appeases our personal philosophy on the sport instead of a universally accepted standard.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2013, 02:29:05 PM »
Technically it was too easy long before number 70 for him.

2 years ago I had my highest average ever, and that was after spending half of the season trying to play across the lane to work on that part of my game, then switching to my bread and butter which is more direct.  Last year I took a lesson in Reno and now I can't hit the same spot on the lane twice in a row to save my life even after trying to abandon the things we worked on.  There was a time when bowling was "too easy" for me, but that time isn't now.  My bowling game has gone Chuck Knoblauch.
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2013, 02:44:46 PM »
So Johnny 3 Bills is "upset" with the USBC so he tries to shoot 291.  Is he telling all of us by his actions that if he got to have another ring to put in his trophy room then he would have tried.  You have got to be kidding me.  So he has 70 rings on his 300 wall of fame and now he is so upset he is not going to try because he can't put his 71st up there so when his friends come over he can count them.  Seriously what is wrong with some people?

I can see the conversation now...Dad I have two awards already for the highest math score on a test and now they aren't giving out any more awards.  I'm not sure what to do?
Johnny 3 bills replies....That's an easy one son, just don't try anymore since you don't get an award.

If this guy wants to make a statement that matters make one at game 50 or 60 or 65, not when he doesn't get his precious ring so now is when he makes his stand. I understand its his score and he can do what he wants, but it rings hollow when you do it because you can't have your ring.  Shoot 291 after your 50th 300.

The problem with bowling in my opinion is more related to people like him, then anything to do with high scores.  As a bowler I want as many people to shoot 300 as possible.  Its gets them talking about the game more to their friends, buying more equipment, bowling in more leagues. Bowling needs the guy that is debating between buying a new ball or a new driver, to buy the ball because he just shot his first 700 series and now wants to be able to do it again.  So many people on here  seem to me to be offended that someone shot a 300 that they deemed didn't deserve it.  Or that it lessens their great accomplishment.  So the first reaction is how easy the shot or sport is becoming.  Why does anyone care if someone shot a 300 on a wall shot.  Most bowlers still dream of shooting a 300.  Would love to shoot one.  They don't want to see someone making a mockery of the game by trying to pick one off a full rack after the first 11.  Its a slap in the face to everyone else in the league that is trying. 

Technology makes the equipment better and the game more enjoyable.  I enjoy golf.  Im fairly decent.  I enjoy it more now that I can hit my Taylor made driver 40 yards farther and straighter then my old wooden driver.  So my new storm ball hooks more and hits harder then Earl Anthony's ball did.  Thats what gets people talking about the sport. 

Using Johnny 3 bills logic every bowler who has no chance of ever shooting a 300 or their high score  shouldn't try.... Hey I  have already shot a 200 so why try to shoot a 190 when you have 180 on the fill ball....might as well tank it now

On second thought maybe we can start a collation so next time Johnny will have something to play for.