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Mighty Fish

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Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« on: November 16, 2013, 04:43:38 PM »
Mike Aleshire, who has nearly 70 certified perfect games in the books, is now apparently attempting to match Kent Wagner's feat of rolling every score from 290 to 300.

On his Facebook timeline, Aleshire has posted the following, and I quote: So since there is only one 300 per life time now I'm going to try and bowl every score from 290 - 300.

Last Monday night, however, he rolled 11 in a row before rolling a gutter ball in an attempt to roll a 291. His failed attempt is mentioned in this bowling column ...

http://www.examiner.com/article/three-perfect-games-and-a-failed-attempt-at-291-headline-high-score-report?cid=db_articles

 

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2013, 03:03:08 PM »
At a college tournament I left a 1-2-4-6-10 washout and tried to put the ball back between in the same spot.  I succeeded  8)

I don't feel I hurt the integrity of the sport.  It was the biggest cheer I ever got at a tournament!

If I saw a guy I knew could get the 12th strike go for and get a two count, I'd be the first to congratulate him.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2013, 05:48:38 PM »
How is this not considered sandbagging? The guy is intentionally throwing off on his last ball.
Dear DynoMo:

By USBC rules, sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition.

This, in no way, applies to Mike Aleshire. His past three yearbook averages are 241, 246 and 239, and he's carrying a high average of about 240 again this year, so he is hardly gaining any advantage in handicap or classified competition.

Even when he bowls in the Florida State Tournament, in which handicap is 90 percent of 240, he receives no handicap. Even such top-class bowlers as Vernon Peterson and John Janawicz received handicap in the Florida state tourney.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2013, 06:37:43 PM »
I have 41 300s, most on house shots, several on tournament patterns.  Every time I have  a shot at one I know it might be my last.  I would never try for a 292 or some other freak score.  Just me.  Can't say I totally respect someone who does it, but I am not going to trash them either.  Also, it has nothing to do with lack of integrity in the game.  I would much rather compete on tournament patterns than house shots, but I can't in good conscience slam a guy who can hammer me on a house shot, even if I can beat him on flatter patterns.  USBC has no less integrity than any other sport.  Technology over powered the game.  It did the same thing in golf, but they still have the short game ( drive for show putt for dough ) to keep scores under control, even when hackers are blasting balls over the end of driving ranges.   

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2013, 10:45:22 PM »
Bob,

I will only comment on the golf comment.

When I see hackers they are blasting balls, over and on the ground and over the SIDE of the range.

When they go over the END of the range.  They stopped being hackers in my book.  I have hardly ever seen a terrible golf swing over 120 mph!

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2013, 08:43:31 AM »
Dear DynoMo:

By USBC rules, sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition.

This, in no way, applies to Mike Aleshire. His past three yearbook averages are 241, 246 and 239, and he's carrying a high average of about 240 again this year, so he is hardly gaining any advantage in handicap or classified competition.

Even when he bowls in the Florida State Tournament, in which handicap is 90 percent of 240, he receives no handicap. Even such top-class bowlers as Vernon Peterson and John Janawicz received handicap in the Florida state tourney.

Just to be clear, just because his average is higher than most average bases that handicap is developed, still does not preclude him from being guilty of sandbagging. 
  • We have tournaments that use the highest average in the field as the basis of handicap.  For this tournament, he would be sandbagging.
  • We have leagues that base handicap on the team average (not individual) and on this basis, he would be sandbagging.
The important wording in the rule is, "sandbagging is when a bowler establishes an average below his/her ability."  This is the fact-based part of the rule.  It is easy to see he is bowling below his ability.  The second part of the rule, "to gain unfair advantage in handicap or classified competition," is more subjective since there isn't one set of rules on the development of handicap.  Handicap is based on different scores or on more than one person.  So just because he has a higher average than most does not mean he is exempt from being accused of sandbagging.  And I am pretty sure everyone will agree.  And to say it in now way applies to this gentlemen is a pretty ignorant statement.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2013, 12:38:25 PM »
if I read that correctly you are saying he is sandbagging?

Boy tough crowd.
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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2013, 12:50:31 PM »
if I read that correctly you are saying he is sandbagging?

Boy tough crowd.

By definition he is, but I wouldn't be one to enforce it.  I was just saying someone could view it as sandbagging and they wouldn't technically be wrong.

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2013, 04:07:41 PM »
Most of you will be pissed at what I am about to say....

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Re: Failed attempt at 291 is sad reflection on state of the game
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2013, 04:37:21 PM »
I have 41 300s, most on house shots, several on tournament patterns.  Every time I have  a shot at one I know it might be my last.  I would never try for a 292 or some other freak score.  Just me.  Can't say I totally respect someone who does it, but I am not going to trash them either.  Also, it has nothing to do with lack of integrity in the game.  I would much rather compete on tournament patterns than house shots, but I can't in good conscience slam a guy who can hammer me on a house shot, even if I can beat him on flatter patterns.  USBC has no less integrity than any other sport.  Technology over powered the game.  It did the same thing in golf, but they still have the short game ( drive for show putt for dough ) to keep scores under control, even when hackers are blasting balls over the end of driving ranges.   

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