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Title: Fast feet
Post by: Storm269 on May 07, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
I have fast feet and need constant reminder from my bowling buddies. I always thought my speed is ok but when I release the ball, I always find something amiss. Until my buddies told me to slow down my footwork and when I do everything just some in place nicely in the release.
Need help to correct my fast feet....any advice is greatly welcome....thanks !

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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: BrunsWolf on May 08, 2009, 01:29:08 AM
Whenever I run into this problem, i just start my pushaway a little later. Doing so makes me slow down my feet to get back in time. Thats what I'm working on now and I'm just starting to get the crisp release more often than before.
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: dizzyfugu on May 08, 2009, 04:35:23 AM
Move closer to the foul line. This will force you to make smaller steps.
Pushaway timing changes can also help.

What helped me battle fast feet was just to think "slow down". I start moving very slowly (doing a 5 step approach), and just catch up with the pendulum as the ball comes forward - that's when I speed up for the slide and the swing to add some ball speed.
I used to be fast in that early phase (2nd/3rd step), and slowing the feet down by force at the start helped me a lot with timing and leverage at the foul line.
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: completebowler on May 08, 2009, 05:14:47 AM
quote:
Move closer to the foul line. This will force you to make smaller steps.
Pushaway timing changes can also help.

What helped me battle fast feet was just to think "slow down". I start moving very slowly (doing a 5 step approach), and just catch up with the pendulum as the ball comes forward - that's when I speed up for the slide and the swing to add some ball speed.
I used to be fast in that early phase (2nd/3rd step), and slowing the feet down by force at the start helped me a lot with timing and leverage at the foul line.
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+1

I am 6'1" and always started at the rear set of dots. After doing a couple clinics with Duke and Voss and learning some styff from them I ended up at the front set and have much smoother and in sync mechanics.

Moving that far up may not be the answer for you but anytime I feel myself a little loose with my timing these days I move forward about a foot and get my push out a touch earlier.
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 08, 2009, 06:13:34 AM
I was taught, (and it works for me and everyone else I tell) ,....but ...

SLOW first step....heel-toe your first step, and that will slow you down. Works every time!
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: Dan Belcher on May 08, 2009, 07:15:09 AM
quote:
quote:
Move closer to the foul line. This will force you to make smaller steps.
Pushaway timing changes can also help.

What helped me battle fast feet was just to think "slow down". I start moving very slowly (doing a 5 step approach), and just catch up with the pendulum as the ball comes forward - that's when I speed up for the slide and the swing to add some ball speed.
I used to be fast in that early phase (2nd/3rd step), and slowing the feet down by force at the start helped me a lot with timing and leverage at the foul line.
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+1

I am 6'1" and always started at the rear set of dots. After doing a couple clinics with Duke and Voss and learning some styff from them I ended up at the front set and have much smoother and in sync mechanics.

Moving that far up may not be the answer for you but anytime I feel myself a little loose with my timing these days I move forward about a foot and get my push out a touch earlier.
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I'm around 5'11" or 6'0 with long legs, and I used to start from the back dots and had poor balance at the line because my feet were moving too fast.  Doene Moos moved me up to the front dots, and my balance and repetition have improved greatly since it forced me to slow down a lot with my feet.
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: dizzyfugu on May 08, 2009, 08:14:36 AM
I am 6'2" and still stand at the last row of dots, due to a pretty long slide. But after my club's youth coach worked with me on my fast feet, I was shocked when I recognized how much time I actually have to "follow" the flow of the ball pendulum, and how relaxed the whole approach became when I stopped running ahead and just "waited" for the pendulum to dictate my moves, esp. the last 2 steps where I never was able to build up true leverage due to the timing problems caused by the fast feet. Things changed considerably since then!
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Edited on 5/8/2009 8:16 AM
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: J_w73 on May 08, 2009, 08:45:43 AM
I'm 6'3" and had the same problem.. started on the last set of dots.. but then took a lesson and realised my timing was way early and I start my slide at the ball return.  I moved up about a ft with my heels in front of the last set of dots.. I'm working on moving up even closer to see how that works.  I think it will allow me to delay my timing even more and get my feet to the line and someone planted so that I can get more leverage as the ball is coming through..
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 08, 2009, 09:14:01 AM
Guys...your height doesn't really matter, either does where you start.

It's very logical...if your golf swing is too fast, you slow your pull-back...if your feet are too fast in bowling ...slow your first step ...

I'm not saying what you do DOES or DOESN'T WORK...I'm just saying/trying to do:
K.I.S.S.
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: J_w73 on May 08, 2009, 10:28:07 AM
quote:
Guys...your height doesn't really matter, either does where you start.

It's very logical...if your golf swing is too fast, you slow your pull-back...if your feet are too fast in bowling ...slow your first step ...

I'm not saying what you do DOES or DOESN'T WORK...I'm just saying/trying to do:
K.I.S.S.
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the height usually means longer legs and longer strides..  I in general tend to walk on the street about 2 time faster than anyone else I know.. I think all that we are saying is that the longer legs and "thinking" that we need to start farther away from the foul line messes up the timing and foot speed...
I think starting farther away because we think we need to makes us lean forward and rush to make sure we get to the line, atleast for me...

moving forward seems to slow my feet down ..

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Edited on 5/8/2009 10:28 AM

Edited on 5/8/2009 10:29 AM
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 08, 2009, 10:30:39 AM
quote:
quote:
Guys...your height doesn't really matter, either does where you start.

It's very logical...if your golf swing is too fast, you slow your pull-back...if your feet are too fast in bowling ...slow your first step ...

I'm not saying what you do DOES or DOESN'T WORK...I'm just saying/trying to do:
K.I.S.S.
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the height usually means longer legs and longer strides..  I in general tend to walk on the street about 2 time faster than anyone else I know.. I think all that we are saying is that the longer legs and "thinking" that we need to start farther away from the foul line messes up the timing and foot speed...
I think starting farther away because we think we need to makes us lean forward and rush to make sure we get to the line, atleast for me...

moving forward seems to slow my feet down ..

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Edited on 5/8/2009 10:28 AM

Edited on 5/8/2009 10:29 AM


Fair enough, and that's understood .....but think about it this way...
If your feet are fast, why not correct the 'source' SLOW first step

But I do understand your explanation...
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: headwest on May 08, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
quote:
Whenever I run into this problem, i just start my pushaway a little later. Doing so makes me slow down my feet to get back in time. Thats what I'm working on now and I'm just starting to get the crisp release more often than before.
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I'll second that advice because if you start the ball early your feet get fast to catch up with your swing.
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: no300tj on May 10, 2009, 07:50:09 AM
I have this problem as well. I'm 5-7, and my coach has me taking longer steps to create more time for the ball to swing. So far, it is definitely helping. I have gotten rid of my drift and creating more leverage at the line. I know this is the opposite of what the others are saying, but it is working for me. Maybe it is a height/stride length thing that makes it different.
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Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: duvallite on May 10, 2009, 09:20:15 PM
I sometimes suffer from fast feet also.  I've found that when this happens, my first step is too large, which in turn cause me to rush the line and throws my timing off, making it inconsistant.  If I concentrate on taking a very small first step, simialr to what jeffrevs is saying, then my timing is much better and I end up sliding better at the line and having more leverage also.  Plus, the release seems to be smoother because of this.  Try the short first step, and it may help you also.
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: nextbowler on May 10, 2009, 10:05:07 PM
Count your steps in your head.  It works and gives you proper rhythm as
well.
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: pin-chaser on May 14, 2009, 02:19:01 PM
crazy stuff here...

its about timimg right? Its not really about only one aspect of timing (how fast the feet go)?

Timing - is simply this:

How long it takes the feet to get to the foul line

       and

How long it take the armswing to get to the bottom of the swing (at your ankle).

So at least two choices are here... alter the amount of time it takes to complete the approach or alter the amount of time it take to complete the swing.

I happen to be of the belief that altering the natural timing of the approach is very difficult to maintain ... ESPECIALLY in times of stress (needing to stike). This situation seems to always produce a pulled shot because people forget to maintain a slow cadence under pressure and speed up there approach to a natural pace.

I find it much more affective to reduce the amount of time the armswing takes by either shortening the eight of the swing (by lowering the pushaway) or by delaying the pushaway slightly. These seem to be more manageable solutions that are easier to maintain for the majority of people I have worked with.
Title: Re: Fast feet
Post by: Locke on May 14, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
I'm 6' 4 1/2" and have always had a lot of trouble with fast feet. I personally use a 6 step approach to get my timing down. I take two short slow steps before starting my push away. It helps me lock in my timing. Also, I find it helpful to put a piece of tape with a reminder to slow down on the shoe that i line up with. Mine says, "stay slow stupid" a little funny but it really does work.
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