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Ebointe International
« on: November 21, 2011, 12:14:54 PM »
What are the distinct characteristics between Ebonite, Track, Columbia, and Hammer?


 

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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2011, 10:26:18 PM »
Fixed ....
 



Russell wrote on 11/26/2011 11:55 PM:They never quit hooking andl they last and last and last when properly cared for.

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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2011, 06:18:17 AM »
How long did it bleed in the oven?
 



completebowler wrote on 11/27/2011 10:40 PM:
Not if you know how to maintain them. Just takes a little effort.


 


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And all balls absorb oil and lose some reaction. The big variable is how well you take care of them.






Russell wrote on 11/26/2011 11:55 PM:They all quit hooking after 120 games.....

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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2011, 11:33:24 AM »
Hey   learn how to read...It's a skill you know...
 
I said, IMO....
 
"Track has a loyal following"...Most Track Sales IN MY SHOP are repeat Track Customer's...
 
Just like most Lane One sales in my shop are repeat customer's...
 
Therefore I do know what I am talking about pertaining to MY SHOP...
 
Now
 
ARE WE CLEAR
Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/26/2011 3:57 PM:
LOYAL?!  LIKE LANE 1?! .....no idea what you're talking about.
 
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jls wrote on 11/26/2011 1:32 PM:
IMO. Ebonite and Columbia appeal more to average bowlers...White Dots, Maxim's, Scout's,
Cyclone's, Eruption's etc...
 
However the new Encounter is catching the eye of some Storm and Hammer users...Benchmark
also looks good...
 
The Ramson Demand, IMO did not live up to all the  hype that a CERTAIN magazine gave them...
 
Hammer IMO appeals more to high end bowlers, much like Storm and Roto...
 
And IMO, Track has a very LOYAL following, much like Lane One...
 
Also the New Mission X from Ebonite seems to be a winner...
 
 
 
 


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2011, 02:13:34 PM »
I still have my theory on Ebonite manufactured balls.  They must be more inconsistent than other manufacturers when it comes to their curing process.  You can have two of one ball, say a Black Widow.  The first will hook out the building, slowly lose some hook over time, and rejuvenate as good as anything else does.  The second will never be quite as strong as the first, lose hook quickly, and never come back to life no matter what you do to it.  It's so random that it's hard to figure out.  It's not like all Black Widows are bad, just certain ones - but which one will you get?

 

I have a Black Widow Bite that's as good today as the day I bought it.  I've kept the surface fresh, but it's never had a full resurfacing or been de-oiled.  It's probable that it's not 100% the ball I originally purchased, but it does exactly what I want, and I'm apprehensive to do anything extreme like putting it in a heated chamber for a period of time.

 

I have plenty of friends who have had either very good or very bad experiences with Ebonite.  But even some of their lower end pearlized equipment became dead as a door nail at 60 games.  You expect some degradation from the aggressive high end pieces, but not everything.  Even though I really like the one piece I have, I'd be really nervous about purchasing another.  I've just seen too many duds.  If you could predict a good ball or good lot of balls from watching others, it might be different, but I don't like playing $200 Russian Roulette.



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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2011, 02:19:48 PM »
Hmmm. Interesting observations guys regarding EBI. In my neck of the woods, almost all the "oldtimers" love Columbia balls for their strong arcing tendencies, and relative controllability. I personally never considered Hammer as strong hooking....I just loved the fact that they give you that long and strong angularity, and movement on the backend. There are now many, many similar looking balls on the market with that same look now, however. And I agree with the assessment of Ebonite generally having the arcing movement on a wide variety of pieces. Track I believe has the most diversity, since I've seen all kinds of looks from a whole variety of different pieces that they've put out. Without a doubt, Track gives you the most versatility.


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2011, 04:03:33 PM »
lol ez jls.  It was a joke pertaining to the lane #1 loyalty thing.  Definitely not knocking you in any way sir.  Sarcasm is hard to catch online sometimes. 
 
jls wrote on 11/28/2011 12:33 PM:
Hey   learn how to read...It's a skill you know...
 
I said, IMO....
 
"Track has a loyal following"...Most Track Sales IN MY SHOP are repeat Track Customer's...
 
Just like most Lane One sales in my shop are repeat customer's...
 
Therefore I do know what I am talking about pertaining to MY SHOP...
 
Now
 
ARE WE CLEAR
Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/26/2011 3:57 PM:
LOYAL?!  LIKE LANE 1?! .....no idea what you're talking about.
 
811A-SE BALL OF THE YEAR!!!!   ;)
jls wrote on 11/26/2011 1:32 PM:
IMO. Ebonite and Columbia appeal more to average bowlers...White Dots, Maxim's, Scout's,
Cyclone's, Eruption's etc...
 
However the new Encounter is catching the eye of some Storm and Hammer users...Benchmark
also looks good...
 
The Ramson Demand, IMO did not live up to all the  hype that a CERTAIN magazine gave them...
 
Hammer IMO appeals more to high end bowlers, much like Storm and Roto...
 
And IMO, Track has a very LOYAL following, much like Lane One...
 
Also the New Mission X from Ebonite seems to be a winner...
 
 
 
 


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2011, 04:08:05 PM »
ah I see the confusion jls.  When I said "no idea what youre talking about." I meant
"I have no idea what youre talking about."  again...sarcastically.  


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2011, 04:19:58 PM »

 Strider, I can't disagree nor agree. All I can say si from my experience and taht is that I have 2 Gamebreakers....the original and the remake.... and both hook the same.

 

My original Gamebreaker of which I properly clean and take care of everytime I use it,  has over 200 games and counting and it still hooks and performs as well today as it did NIB



Strider wrote on 11/28/2011 3:13 PM:
I still have my theory on Ebonite manufactured balls.  They must be more inconsistent than other manufacturers when it comes to their curing process.  You can have two of one ball, say a Black Widow.  The first will hook out the building, slowly lose some hook over time, and rejuvenate as good as anything else does.  The second will never be quite as strong as the first, lose hook quickly, and never come back to life no matter what you do to it.  It's so random that it's hard to figure out.  It's not like all Black Widows are bad, just certain ones - but which one will you get?


 


I have a Black Widow Bite that's as good today as the day I bought it.  I've kept the surface fresh, but it's never had a full resurfacing or been de-oiled.  It's probable that it's not 100% the ball I originally purchased, but it does exactly what I want, and I'm apprehensive to do anything extreme like putting it in a heated chamber for a period of time.


 


I have plenty of friends who have had either very good or very bad experiences with Ebonite.  But even some of their lower end pearlized equipment became dead as a door nail at 60 games.  You expect some degradation from the aggressive high end pieces, but not everything.  Even though I really like the one piece I have, I'd be really nervous about purchasing another.  I've just seen too many duds.  If you could predict a good ball or good lot of balls from watching others, it might be different, but I don't like playing $200 Russian Roulette.



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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2011, 04:24:48 PM »

 I know...But Monster Pike always uses that line,,, And I always wanted to say that...lol
 
And I know what your talking about concerning lane One loyalty...
 
But seriously, I guess what I was trying to say is that, most Lane One sales are made to bowlers who
are using Lane One products... And they usually call and ask for a certain model...
 
And in my shop,   the same thing does apply to Track...   Most of the time the customer calls and asks if
we have a certain model....
 
Now as far as "sarcasm" goes.... The misc. non bowling site is famous for that...
 
Take care...and I hope you have a great  sales in your shop this Holiday Season...
Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/28/2011 5:03 PM:
lol ez jls.  It was a joke pertaining to the lane #1 loyalty thing.  Definitely not knocking you in any way sir.  Sarcasm is hard to catch online sometimes. 
 
jls wrote on 11/28/2011 12:33 PM:
Hey   learn how to read...It's a skill you know...
 
I said, IMO....
 
"Track has a loyal following"...Most Track Sales IN MY SHOP are repeat Track Customer's...
 
Just like most Lane One sales in my shop are repeat customer's...
 
Therefore I do know what I am talking about pertaining to MY SHOP...
 
Now
 
ARE WE CLEAR
Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/26/2011 3:57 PM:
LOYAL?!  LIKE LANE 1?! .....no idea what you're talking about.
 
811A-SE BALL OF THE YEAR!!!!   ;)
jls wrote on 11/26/2011 1:32 PM:
IMO. Ebonite and Columbia appeal more to average bowlers...White Dots, Maxim's, Scout's,
Cyclone's, Eruption's etc...
 
However the new Encounter is catching the eye of some Storm and Hammer users...Benchmark
also looks good...
 
The Ramson Demand, IMO did not live up to all the  hype that a CERTAIN magazine gave them...
 
Hammer IMO appeals more to high end bowlers, much like Storm and Roto...
 
And IMO, Track has a very LOYAL following, much like Lane One...
 
Also the New Mission X from Ebonite seems to be a winner...
 
 
 
 


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2011, 04:41:27 AM »
Ya know the funny thing is I had to have 150 games on that ball before "baking" it and it really didnt bleed much at all. I was very surprised. I didn't feel ike it really lost any life just felt like it was due. You could see a little track and I always rejuvenate before resurfacing my own stuff. Only got about 2 boards extra reaction the first night back out so it truly was just a maintenance thing and not "bringing it back to life".

 

One of my best balls ever. It has definitely replaced the Complete NV for which I created my user name. BTW that ball is still at the shop and hasn't really lost much reaction nor has my Total NV. I really haven't seen the "ball death" that people complain about with EBI. Couple Black Widow's, The One, and a Gamebreaker are the only ones I can recall seeing it at all. I have a BWP that has very low games that is still one of my strongest downlane balls ever.
 



Good Times Good Times wrote on 11/28/2011 7:18 AM:
How long did it bleed in the oven?
 






completebowler wrote on 11/27/2011 10:40 PM:

Not if you know how to maintain them. Just takes a little effort.



 



Got a Magic Action in my bag for nearly 2 years non stop. Was just rejuvenated for the first time earlier this month to go along with a full resurface.



 



And all balls absorb oil and lose some reaction. The big variable is how well you take care of them.









Russell wrote on 11/26/2011 11:55 PM:They all quit hooking after 120 games.....

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"




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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2011, 10:40:54 AM »

 That's funny stuff there...
 
Now what were we talking about...
 
btw, last week I plugged and re drilled a  Dynamo...It was once the ball of the year, you know...oops
Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/28/2011 5:08 PM:
ah I see the confusion jls.  When I said "no idea what youre talking about." I meant
"I have no idea what youre talking about."  again...sarcastically.  


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2011, 11:04:15 AM »
I used to have a Dynamo and ended up using it for a boat anchor as that seemed to be where it worked it's best...  
 



jls wrote on 11/29/2011 11:40 AM:

 That's funny stuff there...

 

Now what were we talking about...

 

btw, last week I plugged and re drilled a  Dynamo...It was once the ball of the year, you know...oops



Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/28/2011 5:08 PM:
ah I see the confusion jls.  When I said "no idea what youre talking about." I meant

"I have no idea what youre talking about."  again...sarcastically.  


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Re: Ebointe International
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2011, 11:08:46 AM »

 Brickguy,   I have "no idea what you're talking about"   Maybe Dave does...oops...
Brickguy221 wrote on 11/29/2011 12:04 PM:
I used to have a Dynamo and ended up using it for a boat anchor as that seemed to be where it worked it's best...  
 
How can this be...     oops...


jls wrote on 11/29/2011 11:40 AM:

 That's funny stuff there...

 

Now what were we talking about...

 

btw, last week I plugged and re drilled a  Dynamo...It was once the ball of the year, you know...oops



Dave-bestbowlingproshops wrote on 11/28/2011 5:08 PM:
ah I see the confusion jls.  When I said "no idea what youre talking about." I meant

"I have no idea what youre talking about."  again...sarcastically.  


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