Author Topic: February TAT in Vegas (Read 3800 times)

GutterLine · « **on:** January 04, 2010, 01:03:50 AM »

I'm looking into the TAT in Vegas at the beginning of February.

Can anyone provide any information on the lane conditions, competetion strength, and especially if it is worth a cross-country trip.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks,
GutterLine

wuznme · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2010, 11:51:22 AM »

Have you won any local tournaments? Do you cash on a regular basis? If not stay home.

wuznme · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2010, 12:40:12 PM »

Jerk - A $ $hole whatever the name is today that I get called doesn't matter.

Regardless of what the local tournaments are/were someone that is serious about bowling would bowl them. If they don't bowl locals and cash/win - have no business wasting $$$ going to Vegas.

It isn't going to be easier then bowling local tournaments.

storm making it rain · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:04:36 PM »

the original poster asked a simple question to those who have competed in the tournaments. if you dont have first hand knowledge, why reply to the post in the first place?? and for that matter who cares if he hasnt or has cashed in local tournies? if he has the money and wants to compete who are we to judge?? every tournament out there has its "donaters", not saying he is but at least come to the topic with some relavent information.

rant off!!!

Bluff · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:06:07 PM »

I have to disagreed on this .

TAT this year is a good play even if you don't cash !!

You get 2 bowling ball and 6 games of bowling depends on when you register and a free night. that alone is worth the $280 you put in and $240 if bowling HDCP.

The lane Condition as I was told modify house shot. I bowl few years back and is was not as hard compare to mini pattern.

205 - cut was like 590 to 680 depends on days
35 under - 750 +
sen is 680 +

I won't say turny is fair or not But you want to bowl for fun I say is still good for the buck.
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Bigmike · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:19:23 PM »

No disrepect meant to any posters but if everyone realistically stayed home for every tournament because they didn''t think they could win it, then tournament bowling will continue to die its slow death.

Sometimes bowlers take the "if I can''t win everything I get in" stance, then I won''t even bother to enter. The odds work against you on winning everytime you play. It is just not mathmatically possible. Some players are more set up to win a higher percentage of time due to training, natural skill, good work ethics, and therefore will win there fair share of the money and events. Some folks will never know if they can compete on that stage for the afore mentioned reasons.

Remember one of the best basketball players to ever play the game got cut as a sophomore in high school. Think about how his life might have been different if he took the "screw it, why try" stance.

Good luck if you go out there. Megabucks can be very tough because the cash ratios are higher (1 in 8, 1 in 10, etc). The TAT, Mini, and High Roller are making changes to attract folks to participate and usually they try there best to not schedule on top of each other squad time wise, so you can frequent the others as well.
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Bigmike · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:26:37 PM »

Here is the link to the site: http://www.trueamateurtournaments.com/

TAT is guaranteeing $25K on top.

Please tell me your gaming bill for the week is not that high.

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wuznme · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2010, 01:46:35 PM »

Sorry if the response got your panties in an uproar. Actually I''m not.

Bowling in these big $$$ tournaments in Vegas has you bowling against the best amateurs in the world. Why would someone that hasn''t bowled any local tournaments and did well bother going.

The original poster was asking:

"and especially if it is worth a cross-country trip"

Doesn''t sound like he had $$$ to blow, and I answered. Bluntly and honestly.

Besides you don''t just go to bowl the TAT, you bowl the HR and Mini. That is close to $1k in entry fees by the time you are done. Not counting airfare, car, food, hotel etc...

So unless you have bowled and done well in local tourneys stay at home. Of course if you have $3k to throw away be my guest and donate.

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wuznme · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:39:47 PM »

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Why should one''s status in local tournaments matter any?

Well we look at things differently just my view to judge how someone would do

The TAT is contested on a modified house pattern, which means it''s a reasonably easy shot.

you keep thinking that you know what won last year (june) a 197, 2nd was a 191, 3rd 170 something and 4th was 150 something. Surely folks bowling for $20k on a modified THS could bowl better then that.

Hope you don''t think that was a simple modified house shot.

I don''t know about you, but I book 230 on a THS and I''m around 210-215 on sport/PBAX conditions, but I don''t bowl nearly as many local tournaments as I used to because they''re all handicap and I''d have to bowl scratch.

same here, 2/3 thirds of the tournaments I bowl in are handicap and very rarley do handicap bowlers win unless they are a blantant sandbag and we fix those types real fast.

I bowl in two tournaments a year, one is scratch and the other is 50% of 220, which is fair. I''m sure I could compete on a modified THS. If the OP has the money and thinks he has the ability to be competitive, why shouldn''t he go? That''s how you find out if you''re good enough, you show up and bowl.

That''s like saying you should never bowl in a PBA event unless you cash in local tournaments. Local doesn''t mean squat, because most local bowlers aren''t the best in the country.

like I said we look at things differently, why go bowl with the best if you can''t beat the local house hacks just another way to judge your level

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Mvpbowler · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:57:35 PM »

I have bowled in MANY TAT's already.. I can answer a few questions for you..

Is the TAT worth bowling, YES.. I don't care who you are, yes it is worth it! There is many chances to make money and to have a good time! With all that is given with your entry it is the most bang for your buck right now.

A few things for you to remember:

1) The TAT doesn't use any pattern, they test it a few weeks before and decide if that is what they want it to be.. Sometimes it is a little easier and sometimes it is fairly tough.

2) Most of the top notch amateurs are not allowed to bowl this tournament as Ed the tournament director doesn't allow them. He has the right to do what he wants when it comes to them. He doesn't want them coming in and taking the money from the others.

3) There are many squads and days to bowl, so you don't have to come out for the whole week if you don't want to be in Vegas all that time. Just saves on some expenses and still gives you a chance

4) From someone who has won the tournament and finished 4th, this tournament is really tough to get to the final show(top 4 or 5). It takes a few good breaks and some help from others to get there! It is a long week of bowling and very mentally exhausting for all. Even more if you bowl some of the other tournaments.

Hope this helps you out, if you have any other questions please feel free to ask or send me a PM.

See ya out there hopefully

Ramtart · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2010, 11:57:38 AM »

Hey Gutterline,

I say at least try it at least once in your lifetime. Maybe make a vacation out of it if you don't mind mixing in some bowling.

I agree with George (Mvpbowler), it is a great tournament with bang for the buck. This year, you will get guaranteed 2 balls and if you are doing the marathon entry, I believe you will get 3.

By the way, what's up George, this is Ramil, we met at the Megabucks a few years ago, but you probably forgot who I am hehe. You were throwing Visionary at the time. This was during the 08' February TAT lol. You bowling this February? If so, see you there, I'll be sure to say what's up.

Anyways, yes, the condition they put out can be challenging at times and at other times it may feel not too different from your house-shot. I wouldn't say the shot is wide open though.

Depending on which division you bowl in, the cuts will be a little different. For 205 and under, you will see the cuts go as low as 625-650ish.

For the 35 and under division you will see cuts around 700.

36-50 division you will see 700 as well.

51-Seniors can average around high 600s to 700 too.

189 and under the cuts I am not sure about since it is a new division and I would say those cuts would probably range around low 600's or High 500's for bowlers who truly average 189 and below. Of course we all know some bowlers are creative with their averages lol.

Yes the ratio is a little tough 1 in 10 for TAT, but for the value, it is a great tournament and sometimes PBA Tour Player Dino Castillo will come out to help with layouts, etc. if there's a break on the National Tour.

If you do decide to come down, good luck!

Phlap218 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2010, 05:45:02 PM »

I've been bowling TAT every year since i turned adult a few years ago. i've only missed one due to my daughter being born. But I have never made finals but continue to go cause it's a ton of fun, plus its Vegas! Also I tend to make more money on brackets than I do on the actual tournament/sweepers. BTW does anybody know what two balls ebonite is giving this time? I've heard a bunch of different things just wanted to know if anyone had any insider info.

skbowl800 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2010, 06:30:32 PM »

Ramtart mentioned that you get 2 balls or 3 if you do the marathon entry. My question is what does the marathon entry entail and how much does it cost?

My other question is do you get your choice of bowling balls or can you basically pick anything?
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nextbowler · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2010, 06:50:19 PM »

The information given by MVP bowler is absolutely spot on.

skbowl800 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2010, 07:23:47 PM »

Ok I see that you get 2 ebonite balls but I still don't see anything on the flyer about a marathon entry, can someone explain this to me? I am also curious how those free squads work.
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