Author Topic: EBONITE - HAMMER - TRACK --- differences? (Read 3931 times)

Metal_rules · « **on:** June 09, 2010, 04:14:24 AM »

i would like to get the skinny on all three --- what are each designated for? being that im more of a down and in player - which one of these would be a better fit? currently im having pretty good success with ebonite and roto grip - i know RG is part of storm, so will add that also to the mix,also any other ball manufactures input is welcomed. thanks for the input.

stopncrank · « **Reply #1 on:** June 09, 2010, 12:28:03 PM »

I think now days MOST ball manufacturers have a well rounded group of pieces that can give you any look you want with the proper drilling and coverstock prep.

What helps me alot of times(ive been bowling for 20 years) is to match a current balls numbers-rg, differential, etc. with maybe an older ball that worked in certain situations or lines on the lane.

To sit here and say well you can''t get that reaction with Ebonite versus Track is most likely not true.
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Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 09, 2010, 02:06:59 PM »

This is a good question because now 2 me it seems all the companies are basically the same.. I might be wrong but that is how I view it...

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Dave-bestbowlingproshops · « **Reply #3 on:** June 09, 2010, 03:59:20 PM »

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This is a good question because now 2 me it seems all the companies are basically the same.. I might be wrong but that is how I view it...

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A lot of them are getting that way just slightly different. Columbia used to be more "rolly" but in the last year has become a lot more aggressive in all departments. With track we've always had pretty aggressive equipment throughout our line and with the 300c coming out the direction has changed slightly.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** June 09, 2010, 06:22:21 PM »

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i would like to get the skinny on all three --- what are each designated for?

No (bowling ball) company can continue to exist in isolation, making a ball designed for a single purpose. If they did, they would go out of business in due time.

If you look closely at the different balls in each company, at both reviews (professional ones, like in BTM and BJI magazines) and in what people say about them, you''ll see that each company carries both arcing and skid/flip designed balls.

For very simple direct examples, look at
Hammer''s Backlash Blue/Sliver and Red/Purple
The Blue/Silver is designed for control and the Red/Purple is designed for "extreme length with a moderate backend pop."
cTrack''s 9, 7 and 5 series. Even the nomenclature, the last character, tells you what they''re designed for. T for traction, C for control, A for angular.

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TamerBowling · « **Reply #5 on:** June 09, 2010, 09:55:00 PM »

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i would like to get the skinny on all three --- what are each designated for?

No (bowling ball) company can continue to exist in isolation, making a ball designed for a single purpose. If they did, they would go out of business in due time.

If you look closely at the different balls in each company, at both reviews (professional ones, like in BTM and BJI magazines) and in what people say about them, you''ll see that each company carries both arcing and skid/flip designed balls.

For very simple direct examples, look at
Hammer''s Backlash Blue/Sliver and Red/Purple
The Blue/Silver is designed for control and the Red/Purple is designed for "extreme length with a moderate backend pop."
cTrack''s 9, 7 and 5 series. Even the nomenclature, the last character, tells you what they''re designed for. T for traction, C for control, A for angular.

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Charlest, I'm curious on your opinion. By saying the above, does that translate into saying that manufacturers no longer have a "signature" reaction? I would think each company, regardless of being under one corporate umbrella, would want to maintain some signature which differentiates them, even if it is only in perception. Say Storm for example, I would imagine they would want to hold onto the skid/flip image, even if their equipment might actually be well-rounded. Reading on this forum for years, people tend to prefer one manufacturer or another because of some perceived differentiation, i.e., C300 is smooth arcing, Visionary is long-lasting, Storm is skid/flip, etc. Again, I would think there is some business benefit to keeping those who are loyal to that signature happy, while attracting new customers.
I compare it to any industry brand loyalty, say Coke vs Pepsi, etc. When Coke changed it's formula, it took a huge risk in losing it's loyal base.
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:08:17 PM »

Tamer,

While there is a business implication in maintaining an image, I believe most companies would rather the common bowler think of them as a complete company, rather than a single ball reaction company. As I stated before, no company can stay in business if they actually did make a single reaction.

This doesn''t mean that most companies don''t go in cycles at times, reading a trend in the public''s perception at those times. Like Storm''s current cycle of go long balls. Like Brunswick''s previous cycle of early rolling balls. But I still believe these are just temporary, good business practice for a certain period of time, in order to meet a perceived need.

Funny you should mention Storm as a skid/flip company, because my some of my favorite balls were Storm balls BUT they were early rolling and even reacting for the amount of oil they handled: Blue Hot Flame, Bolt Pro, Tour Power, Razor Wire, Lightning, ThunderFlash Pro.
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TamerBowling · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2010, 08:08:58 AM »

I agree with you, charlest. One of my favorite balls was a Storm Trauma which was a very early rolling core that for me had a strong and smooth backend.
It still seems that pervasive "perceived" signature hangs around for a long long time. It's not so bad for Storm with the skid/flip image, but Columbia and Brunswick got a lot of heat for having the "early rolling" image by a lot of house bowlers.
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Metal_rules · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2010, 09:06:10 PM »

thanks for all of the responces --- i do also believe that each brand is specific in what they do -- i just want to see whats everyones take on this topic, please keep the info comming.

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2010, 09:08:06 PM »

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thanks for all of the responces --- i do also believe that each brand is specific in what they do -- i just want to see whats everyones take on this topic, please keep the info comming.

I do NOT believe that each brand is specific in their ball reactions.
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