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JohnN

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Pocket hit 7-10s
« on: February 02, 2015, 06:50:01 PM »
Is it my imagination or does there seem to be more pocket hit 7-10's than there used to be ? Why ? More aggressive equipment with less deflection ?

 

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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 07:01:50 PM »
Every new ball seems to be advertised as gets more length and sharper move down lane . 7-10 splits are usually the result of the ball coming in slightly behind the head pin. While it may look like a strike from 60 ft away, it's not actually the flush pocket most bowlers claim it to be.
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 07:31:29 PM »
If you could slow mo a bowling all entering the pocket and as it exits, you'd see that the bowling ball has expended rotational integrity thus exiting away from the pocket than where it entered...as stated, regular speed & from 60' away it looks good
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 07:43:41 PM »
Does this mean the move would be to find a bit more oil, thus saving rotational energy....but not opening up angles (much) to prevent coming in behind the head pin? 

I had one ball a few years back...  loved the roll/reaction (at least to my eye), but left more 7-10's with it then I can remember with any other ball I've owned.  Nothing like shooting front 5, 7-10, next 3, then finish with another 7-10!
 
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 07:50:59 PM »
It's hard to say one thing but think of it this way...a bowling ball slowing down correctly will blow the rack & carry...one that slows down too quick will not
So you can either chase oil or tighten angles...
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 07:57:02 PM »
Does this mean the move would be to find a bit more oil, thus saving rotational energy....but not opening up angles (much) to prevent coming in behind the head pin? 

I had one ball a few years back...  loved the roll/reaction (at least to my eye), but left more 7-10's with it then I can remember with any other ball I've owned.  Nothing like shooting front 5, 7-10, next 3, then finish with another 7-10!
 

From the point of view of my eyes, many balls hook too much and burn up too much energy hooking and have nothing left by the time they to the "pocket". When you're lucky, you kick out the 5 and the 8 and leave the 10; when you're not lucky, your angle lets you kick out the 5/8 but you hit the head pin too light and the 2/4 wrap around the 7 and leave the 7-10 staring at you. Both balls used too much energy hooking and nothing left to "hit".

You need a tighter line or a little more ball speed, to allow the ball to save some of the energy you applied to it or you need a different ball with less flip.
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 08:50:22 PM »
Should have added in the post that it's not just me. I don't get any more than anybody else.
 In one house I bowl in it seems to be happening to a lot of people with different styles.




















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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 08:54:41 PM »
Could be bad racks
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 09:41:15 PM »
In the house I bowl in there are a lot of 7pins left by right handers. The back ends are a little sharp and I think part of the cause. Too much entry angle.

Its a $hitty feeling to see the headpin come off the side wall in front of the 7pin and fly across the pin deck.....more then once. Personally, and by others.

I've had more then a few 8 pins in 3 different houses and can't explain it. Other then it's bull$hit lol
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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2015, 10:56:49 AM »
First, a bit of history.  The pocket 7-10 was extremely uncommon prior to the mid 70's.  We started seeing it after the change from lacquer to urethane lane finish when they started oiling much shorter trying to combat carry down.  The split occurs because the ball creates too much entry angle for the amount of rotational energy remaining.  The ball still deflects, causing the weak 10, but the angle of deflection changes enough that the ball can still weakly take the 5 pin out, but not hard enough to get to the 7. 

If you think about it you seldom see a 7-10 on a longer flat pattern because you cant create enough entry angle.  I do think their has been a resurgence in the amount of 7-10s, probably due to several factors including strong asymmetrical cores that want to flip really hard coming off the end of the oil.  Also, I think the higher viscosity oils tend to maintain a wet dry look even when they carry down a bit.

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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2015, 11:07:54 AM »
In the house I bowl in there are a lot of 7pins left by right handers. The back ends are a little sharp and I think part of the cause. Too much entry angle.

Its a $hitty feeling to see the headpin come off the side wall in front of the 7pin and fly across the pin deck.....more then once. Personally, and by others.

I've had more then a few 8 pins in 3 different houses and can't explain it. Other then it's bull$hit lol

Sounds like my house right now. A lot of 7 pins getting left by righties.
To make you feel better about the 8 pins... I left 2 stone 8s in a row on the same lane last Wednesday and almost left a 3rd in a row...the 8 was the last pin to leave the deck behind the ball

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Re: Pocket hit 7-10s
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 11:27:21 AM »
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