Author Topic: Rico layout (Read 6960 times)

guffnuh · « **on:** September 19, 2009, 04:55:08 AM »

ok, so i got a Brunswick Fury and had it Rico drilled, and i absolutely love it! it has a nice even arc and never stops hooking.

then later i got a Cell Pearl and had it Rico drilled too, and then a few months later i shoot my first 300 with it!

i just want to say that this layout is freaking amazing, and i was also wondering if anyone else has had this much success with this layout?
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guffnuh · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2009, 01:00:51 PM »

quote:
can i ask how this layout works for all bowlers I never understood the rico layout

from what I've heard, its supposed to be an early rolling and smooth reacting layout for all bowlers, and thats what I've seen too.
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High Game: 300 X1
High Series: 780
Average: 198
4 years of bowling
13 years old

Arsenal:
Brunswick Fury X2
Brunswick Twisted Fury
Roto-Grip Cell Pearl
Storm Virtual Energy
Roto-Grip Cell
Hammer Black Widow Clear
Ebonite The One Pearl

What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

I don't know and I don't care!

JustRico · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2009, 02:24:40 PM »

The simplest way to understand it is, generally speaking, if you are a low track player, you tend to need help when there is volume. The pin placement is generally going to be close to 3 3/8" or leverage which is the strongest pin placement to create flare. So you have more flare for a roll that needs it. WIth bowlers with higher tracks, they generally need the ball to respond smoother when the ball sees friction thus blending or smoothing out the transition between oil and dry. It tends to enhance whatever the roll might need.
Also the biggest key to this layout is using the weight hole. The weight hole helps create much of the reaction. It creates asymmetry in an symmetrical core ball, by placing the weight hole 6 3/4" from the pin, which allows the ball it's continuous down lane. If is an asymmetrical core ball, start by placing the mass bias at 45 degrees off the grip center. If hole is needed, start with a smaller bit size going 2" deep.
As Parker Bohn mentioned at a seminar we were doing, every competitive bowler should have this layout on a ball, because when other layouts aren't working, this will.
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JustRico · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »

The pin is grip center, the CG and weight hole are at a 45 degree angle from grip center. If there is a mass bias, it is placed at a 45 degree angle from grip center as well.
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john178 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2009, 03:54:07 PM »

Can the Rico layout be used on any manufacturer's ball ? What is best ball to use the Rico layout on ? Is the reaction different on a solid -vs- pearl ?

Edited on 9/19/2009 4:05 PM

guffnuh · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:02:00 PM »

quote:
Can the Rico layout be used on any manufacturer's ball ? What is best ball to use the Rico layout on ?

from my experience, that layout works on everything. I've used it on a Fury and a Cell Pearl, and i knew a guy who had it on a Complete NV
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High Game: 300 X1
High Series: 780
Average: 198
4 years of bowling
13 years old

Arsenal:
Brunswick Fury X2
Brunswick Twisted Fury
Roto-Grip Cell Pearl
Storm Virtual Energy
Roto-Grip Cell
Hammer Black Widow Clear
Ebonite The One Pearl

What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

I don't know and I don't care!

JustRico · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:40:23 PM »

Yes...other than the person's individual grip...the pin is in the center of the grip, the CG and/or weight hole & mass bias at a 45 degree from the grip center.
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Urethane Game · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:39:03 PM »

I've always wondered if it would be ok to use this layout on a ball that has been plugged and redrilled. Would you have the same dynamics?
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Adrenaline · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:00:31 AM »

I disagree that all RICO's look the same. There are a few modifications know, and also more than one way to drill it. As already mentioned, one way is 45 degrees from the grip center, the other way, already asked about, is 45 degrees CG to PAP. Using the 2nd way of doing it, everyone's RICO will be slightly different, due to all different PAP's. The more common modification of the layout is for high trackers, where to avoid tracking over finger holes you move the Pin position up the same amount as your vertical Axis Point measurement. Another modification is to create more or less length, where you move the pin horizontally either towards or away from your PAP depending on desired reaction.

As for using Plugged balls, just be sure the plugged area won't land in your track area. Although not a huge deal I guess. And the dynamics of the ball shouldn't change too much with a previous drill, depending on the layout, and how much (if any) of the core was drilled into.
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NOTHUMB · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:59:27 AM »

They will not always look the same. I have an inverted track. So to create the same reaction and shape that Rico provides, I ended up putting my weighthole directly below my thumbhole. Have put this drilling on a few different balls and have LOVED the results. Only have 3 balls with the drilling, but they are truly amazing.
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JustRico · « **Reply #10 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:40:09 AM »

The true Rico layout is what I described-pin in the palm, Cg and Weight hole/Mass Bias at a 45 degree angle from the grip center. A modified Rico would be moving the pin up from the center line and keeping everything in line at a 45 degree angle. Therefore if it is a true Rico, then THEY will ALL look the SAME, minus the difference in span.
Anything else is another layout...
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Formerly BrunsRico

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Edited on 9/20/2009 10:58 AM

dougb · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:21:04 PM »

quote:
I've always wondered if it would be ok to use this layout on a ball that has been plugged and redrilled. Would you have the same dynamics?
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I put it on a Brunswick BVP Wizard that was already on it's second drill. The ball is so smooth and predictable. Great drill for tough lane conditions when you want control.

Bigmike · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2009, 07:55:47 PM »

quote:
WIth bowlers with higher tracks, they generally need the ball to respond smoother when the ball sees friction thus blending or smoothing out the transition between oil and dry. It tends to enhance whatever the roll might need.
Also the biggest key to this layout is using the weight hole. The weight hole helps create much of the reaction. It creates asymmetry in an symmetrical core ball, by placing the weight hole 6 3/4" from the pin, which allows the ball it's continuous down lane. If is an asymmetrical core ball, start by placing the mass bias at 45 degrees off the grip center. If hole is needed, start with a smaller bit size going 2" deep.
As Parker Bohn mentioned at a seminar we were doing, every competitive bowler should have this layout on a ball, because when other layouts aren't working, this will.
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Formerly BrunsRico

As posted by Steven..."None other than our esteemed JustRico!!"

Ric,

I track at a 5 1/8> 5/8^ clip. I tried this lay out years ago in a Danger Zone and it was excellent except it would occasionally clip the fingers on the first couple of revolutions. Any tips on how to minimize that? Also any suggestions on what type of ball this might be good in? (low RG or high RG, pearl, solid?)

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JustRico · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2009, 08:01:15 PM »

Mike
If you clip the middle finger, first you can try either drilling the weight hole deeper which can push the bow tie up or away from the finger. Or move the pin up 1/4" from grip center to see if that eliminates the clipping.

As far as ball type, I would suggest a ball that references a condition that you struggle on or enhances what you lack...length go with a pearl or higher RG, reaction or high ball speed, a solid or lower RG. If you liked the Danger Zone, I would recommend a lower RG higher diff solid.
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Formerly BrunsRico

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Bigmike · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2009, 08:07:56 PM »

Thanks Ric!

quote:
Mike
If you clip the middle finger, first you can try either drilling the weight hole deeper which can push the bow tie up or away from the finger. Or move the pin up 1/4" from grip center to see if that eliminates the clipping.

As far as ball type, I would suggest a ball that references a condition that you struggle on or enhances what you lack...length go with a pearl or higher RG, reaction or high ball speed, a solid or lower RG. If you liked the Danger Zone, I would recommend a lower RG higher diff solid.
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Formerly BrunsRico

As posted by Steven..."None other than our esteemed JustRico!!"

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Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro Shop staff -Columbus, OH

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