Author Topic: first night in league bowling 2 handed - results (Read 6908 times)

ralphiejantz · « **on:** April 06, 2010, 03:11:14 PM »

first night using the 2 handed delivery where it counted I did okay with it
shot 755 for a 3 game set and it would have been higher but the second game I chopped 3-6-10 spare on my first ball in the tenth and was on 4 strikes going into the 10th

I was using a Roto Grip Mars drilled pin up over ring finger CG stacked at OOB surface
gave me a good look all night
I was pretty comfortable throwing all night, no soreness in my wrist or shoulder like Ive been experiencing lately bowling 1 handed
I was at or within 2 boards of my mark most of the night, I had a few shots that I pulled maybe 3 the whole night
had great pin carry only left 1 single 10 pin all night, and a few stone 9 pins
I was pretty happy with the results Im really thinking about fully switching over
I have a local tournament on Sun coming up that Im debating on whether or not I should bowl normally or 2 handed ?

Jay · « **Reply #31 on:** April 18, 2010, 05:28:36 PM »

Yeah I think one plus is the release would probably be more consistent, but I have yet to figure out how to manipulate the ball roll however I want. Naturally, I was more up the back so not more than 30-45 degrees of rotation was created. One concern I have with the style is putting stress on my slide leg. Even one-handed, there are times where my hip area bothers me, but it''s more of a sore and not when I put pressure on it. I''d worry about my knee too.

I''m with you on the fact that if you can do it(physically and general ability), it can give pretty good results. Not to mention, it''s actually kinda fun since it''s different and it feels like you''re just playing. Most people I talk to about the style say they''d probably fall if they tried it.
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Justin

Edited on 4/18/2010 5:31 PM

Jay · « **Reply #32 on:** April 22, 2010, 06:02:02 AM »

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also another key for me was keeping my elbow on my throwing hand in tight to my body, If I let the elbow fly out then I start to run into trouble

I was reading over the thread again and I kinda overlooked this the first time. What kind of trouble are you talking about? I'm thinking you miss inside. I'm trying to figure out how you can keep the elbow "tucked" but not work the inside of the ball(stay behind or even slightly outside, for a different release), is that possible?
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Justin

ralphiejantz · « **Reply #33 on:** April 22, 2010, 09:46:12 PM »

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also another key for me was keeping my elbow on my throwing hand in tight to my body, If I let the elbow fly out then I start to run into trouble

I was reading over the thread again and I kinda overlooked this the first time. What kind of trouble are you talking about? I'm thinking you miss inside. I'm trying to figure out how you can keep the elbow "tucked" but not work the inside of the ball(stay behind or even slightly outside, for a different release), is that possible?
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Justin

usually if the elbow starts to get away towards the outside of my body on the backswing and release it causes me to be on the outside of the ball a lot and lose a lot of ball motion and a lot of rotation and it actually causes the ball to go right of my intended target
it is possible to work the outside of the ball to lessen the ball reaction you just have to really play with hand positions and find one that is comfortable for you
just a small update Ive shot about 630 ish series the last 2 weeks at league and the lanes were scorched no oil at all after around the first game but I was still able to stay in the pocket for most of the night, and carried well in the pocket, but did leave a bit 9 pins than normal

Jay · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2010, 11:09:20 PM »

Okay I bowled about 10 shots of 2-handed today and I'm having a huge problem increasing my launch angle, "swinging" it is next to impossible. I only got it far enough right a couple times I think. I'd be in 3-6 combo city if I bowled like this regularly. Speed might be a little slow but until I can feed the ball right I can't say. I got video of it so I will upload and post it.
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Justin

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2010, 11:25:46 PM »

755 not bad for a start....

A normal progression for most 2 handers is first set 780 to 810.

2nd set 795 to 835. Then if you get a Storm HyRoad normal sets are in the 820 to 858 range.

Finally by about your 3rd or 4th set scores of 900 900 or 900 900 900 are pretty common on a top hat that is....

Sounds like you are almost on track with other two handers in your progression. Hope it improves for you...and gets on track..

Good lucky!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Jay · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2010, 12:09:04 AM »

Here's my video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2DV6m4Ujko

What do I need to do to be more accurate and possibly increase speed?

In case you don't know about it I remembered this article below and read it again. Joe says to push away straight and down, which I think Osku does. But Jason seems to push up a little and sometimes even hold it there for a split second. That's what I was trying to do, maybe that won't work for me?
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Justin

ralphiejantz · « **Reply #37 on:** April 24, 2010, 06:00:14 AM »

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Here's my video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2DV6m4Ujko

What do I need to do to be more accurate and possibly increase speed?

In case you don't know about it I remembered this article below and read it again. Joe says to push away straight and down, which I think Osku does. But Jason seems to push up a little and sometimes even hold it there for a split second. That's what I was trying to do, maybe that won't work for me?
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Justin

you have to open up your shoulders more towards the right
almost like a slight twist of your upper body to help swing the ball out to the right
it also helps if you start with your right foot further back then the left in your stance when you start your approach it naturally opens your body up
also you want to get a little lower with your stance and have your right side kind of dropped more than your left side
if you look at videos of Jason he does this very well, keeping his right side of his body down kind of slanted
most high rev players kind of use this almost looks like your body is off balance towards the right
it helps feed the ball into the lane
you dont want your shoulders to be parallel and square towards the lane
your approach still looks a little broken open,
try making it smoother and more fluid and stay down with the shot,
it looks like your kind of tall in the video
watch how Jason stays very low with his approach

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #38 on:** April 24, 2010, 02:24:20 PM »

For a one set bowler it is good you are able to give so much advice.

Regards,

Luckylefty
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It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

APheLion · « **Reply #39 on:** April 24, 2010, 02:47:52 PM »

for strike domination

it feels kinda u still trying to put more on the ball
when instead u should only focus to let it go, nobody worries about rev using 2 hands, as long as u leave ur head underneath the ball
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 24, 2010, 02:54:44 PM »

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I guess I am pretty skeptic here... you say you think you are throwing it about 21mph??? I believe the biggest issue people have with 2 handed is generating ball speed... and you are saying you just decided to try it and can throw it 20+ mph and rev it around 550 rpms?? Just not adding up for me...

Actually, I was the exact same way. One handed I was about 18 mph at release and 350 rev rate. As soon as I switched to 2 handed, I went to 21 mph and 540 rev rate (per C.A.T.S in 1997 at the Stadium). It is very possible. Alot of it is flexibility around your core. If you can keep your lower body straight and can rotate around your spine quite a bit (similar to a golf swing) you can generate ball speed. FWIW....I am only 5'7" 150lbs. So far no back issues but had to slow down due to knee issues (sliding knee) from playing softball. Thinking about trying to pick up the ball speed again and see how the knee handles it.

Ralphie....congrats on the success. Hopefully it is just the beginning.
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Jay · « **Reply #41 on:** April 24, 2010, 05:39:57 PM »

I forgot to post that article.

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_july_07_2_handed.pdf

Now to your comments. I''m not trying to rev it up more, at least that''s not my intention. I know the revs come with it so no need to try adding more. I''m not really seeing how my approach is broken up although I start off slower, I think that''s okay and probably best though. Yeah I''m 6''1 or taller.

I was thinking start off even slower so that when I get to step 3 I''m forced to rush making the skip-skip more natural. Should you feel like you are rushing the line once you reachthe last 3 steps? As for getting lower do you mean with the legs too or mostly just dropping the shoulder a little more?

I''m a little confused on how I should take my first two steps and push away for this to be effective for me. Things like big steps, little steps, slow or fast. How far to push away and how exactly, should the drop of the ball in to the backswing be a little delayed.
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Justin

Edited on 4/24/2010 5:51 PM

ralphiejantz · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2010, 09:39:30 AM »

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For a one set bowler it is good you are able to give so much advice.

Regards,

Luckylefty
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It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

yeah
thanks but Ive been practicing with it now for over a month
I agree I am not an expert on it but its not rocket science the same fundamentals of high rev high speed type of release still apply your just not using your thumb, and using your off hand to help hold the ball,
and I have been bowling at a high level since about 1990 or so full time been playing with a high rev game since then
again the fundamentals between 2 handed approach and high rev 1 handed approach are not much different
worked in pro shops had family that owned bowling centers and owned pro shops so again I dont claim to be an expert just trying to help out a little if the other guy has some questions

if you dont care to hear my advise then dont look in the thread and dont comment on it

Edited on 4/25/2010 9:42 AM

ralphiejantz · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2010, 09:46:23 AM »

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I forgot to post that article.

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinski_btm_july_07_2_handed.pdf

Now to your comments. I''m not trying to rev it up more, at least that''s not my intention. I know the revs come with it so no need to try adding more. I''m not really seeing how my approach is broken up although I start off slower, I think that''s okay and probably best though. Yeah I''m 6''1 or taller.

I was thinking start off even slower so that when I get to step 3 I''m forced to rush making the skip-skip more natural. Should you feel like you are rushing the line once you reachthe last 3 steps? As for getting lower do you mean with the legs too or mostly just dropping the shoulder a little more?

I''m a little confused on how I should take my first two steps and push away for this to be effective for me. Things like big steps, little steps, slow or fast. How far to push away and how exactly, should the drop of the ball in to the backswing be a little delayed.
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Justin

Edited on 4/24/2010 5:51 PM

your push away you have to really just find some position that is comfortable for you and allows you to naturally swing the ball
your approach is definitely a little slow also
and you dont really have a skip/step in there either (which is fine if you can still generate enough ball speed in order to not get over reaction)

I would maybe try making your feet a little faster towards the foul line and really try and work the skip/step into your approach,
when you are trying to teach you body new motions, it helps sometimes to over exaggerate the movements,
keep taking video so you can see exactly what works and what doesnt for you and so you have something to compare to

also try getting your knees bent a bit more and bringing your upper body down a little more also,
you are tall so it might be a little hard for you,
and work on keeping the right shoulder down also

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2010, 02:37:57 PM »

Who would know!?

No profile and you come out and say...."I did "OK" with it and shot 755.

Sort of an "OK" thing trying first time...funny!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.

James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

Jay · « **Reply #45 on:** April 26, 2010, 02:04:39 AM »

Okay, so it seems I should move the ball quicker which should in turn cause my feet to move quicker and hopefully get that skip-skip in there. If/when I give it another shot, I will probably try to exaggerate it too. I'm thinking I should almost try to "jump" into the slide? Not too sure about Jason but I believe Osku is has a defined moment where he is off the approach so that's what I'm referring to. Other than that getting lower with my knees and body, as well as opening the body, are areas to improve.
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Justin

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