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Gizmo823

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Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« on: January 21, 2014, 03:18:45 PM »
The RPI finals was interesting, I have to say it definitely didn't end up the way I thought it would.  The regionals only guys really didn't impress me . . but if you're the last guy standing that many times, form doesn't matter much. 

The PBA50 Finals were fun to watch.  3 familiar faces, and I think Walter Ray was the only one that didn't have fun haha. 

The finals of the Teen Masters were several different kinds of embarassing, and it was borderline difficult to watch.  The ass in me wants to really go full blast, but that's not really my thing anymore.  I love the concept, I love the format, but I can't really say that anyone won anything, one just outlasted the other.  The ball choices and patterns made the lanes play really tight, but I can't count the number of bad choices and mental mistakes I saw out of both finalists on nearly an every frame basis.  Thoughts?
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Gizmo823

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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2014, 11:20:36 AM »
He didn't, but his issue was trying to throw way too hard.  In general, high school kids aren't good spare shooters, but all the ones I know that take Jr Gold and other high profile sport youth tournaments seriously are very good spare shooters.  Oh well, whatever. 

As I said, they are high school kids.  Your expectations are way too high. 

I've been around bowling a long time and I am yet to meet someone at that age I would consider a good spare shooter.  For most at that age spare shooting is optional and the reset button would be just as effective.

I'll have to watch it again, but I don't remember him hooking it at any spares.
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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2014, 12:15:43 PM »
He didn't, but his issue was trying to throw way too hard.  In general, high school kids aren't good spare shooters, but all the ones I know that take Jr Gold and other high profile sport youth tournaments seriously are very good spare shooters.  Oh well, whatever. 

As I said, they are high school kids.  Your expectations are way too high. 

I've been around bowling a long time and I am yet to meet someone at that age I would consider a good spare shooter.  For most at that age spare shooting is optional and the reset button would be just as effective.

I'll have to watch it again, but I don't remember him hooking it at any spares.

Your passive aggresive behavior is uncanny. I sincerely hope it does not plague your personal life. Its hard to argue with someones methods who has won over $120,000 the last two years in scholarship money from Teen Masters alone. Thats not even including the amount of money from various other events. You dont get to the level he is at not making spares, so whoever you may know may be better spare shooters but who cares when you are going 8/ and 9/ every frame. Just so some bitter guy in the stands or online can say "He is a good spare shooter"?

Point is, you are being incredibly ridiculous. This is a 17 year old we are talking about. Hes going to Robert Morris, a factory for high level collegiate players. Whatever "issues" he may have, Will Clark will fix them in short order and this kid will be in the running to win every event he enters.
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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 01:06:34 PM »
Because my comments about the telecast were a broad all encompassing critical analysis of his entire history, future, and overall skill level . .  His spare shooting on the telecast was not good, he was throwing way too fast, even Randy said he was too amped up.  An excerpt from one of my earlier comments:

I don't think those kids won their divisions with the same types of performances they had on tv. 

I am, and have been talking about the telecast, and the telecast alone, and everybody is trying to take it elsewhere and make it a broad conversation.  So because they're high schoolers, it's suddenly inaccurate to say they both had bad outings on the telecast?  Has zero to do with expectations, zero to do with the rest of the tournament, zero to do with their skill level or them personally.  Chris Barnes had a bad day too, but is that ok to say because he's an adult, or are you going to accost me with career facts about him too?  Them being high schoolers doesn't change definitions of terms regardless of expectations.  My daughter bowled in a high school meet yesterday and made several bad shots, bad decisions, and had some mental errors.  That's not based on her skill level, that's not based on an expectation, nor does it reflect or is it indicative of any past, current, or future success, it's simply based on standard definitions of terms. 

I watched the telecast . . I know that this is the second year in a row he's won it, I heard what Randy said about him, and this: "You dont get to the level he is at not making spares" is one of the most simplistic statements I've ever seen.  Chris Barnes didn't make the RPI finals shooting 150 or 160 every game either, you got any other gold nuggets of wisdom to drop?  Every time I say something, somebody has to turn it into drama and take it completely off track.  You don't think I can't figure out my form sucks?  Hence the REST of the videos about coaching myself?  If I thought it was perfect, and I was the elitist ass you thought I was, I'd post videos of myself every other day and put scores all over the place, not post videos explaining in detail how bad I am and how much help I need.  My daughter isn't going to get any better if I just say, "Eh, she's just a high schooler, I shouldn't expect too much."  As soon as I go back to explaining absolutely everything I say a hundred different ways so I don't get misunderstood, I'll get lambasted for being too longwinded again.  As it is, I'm already gonna get criticized for getting defensive and pissy.  The only way to win on this site is to just not post anything. 
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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 04:22:35 PM »
The kid who won has some serious game.  As an old guy who learned the game on low volumes of oil using plastic equipment, I could see what was happening to him.  The plastic ball wasn't a bad choice on the super short pattern, although I think he could have used urethane on both lanes from the get go.  What he should have done is start about 4 boards deeper on the right lane with the plastic, then he would have had some place to move right to as the oil pushed down.  He was piping it up 5 board right out of the gate, and you are SOL when the oil pushes down that far out. 

What really made the shot tough was the short buff.  Buff that shot out to 40 feet, and it would have still been a challenge, but the carrydown would not have been a factor, and they could have opened up a track. 

I remember bowling a sport shot league about 8 years ago where the lane man put out a 24 foot pattern.  Don't think the volume was quite as low as the teen masters, but definitely low.  We could use anything we wanted, and I didn't have a urethane, but my plastic spare ball was my best option.  The thing that was toughest was spares.  10 pins 4 pins and 7 pins required some weird angles unless you had 25 mph ball speed, which this old guy does not.  I was missing 3 or 4 singles pins per night on this shot, and I had just come off a long sport pattern where I hadn't missed a spare in 16 straight games. 

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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2014, 05:26:03 PM »
is there a link to these video's on youtube ??? i'd like to watch these and see what the big dilly is about....
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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2014, 07:38:30 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plt5WZzUIaw  Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYH0vhCeoyM  Part 2

is there a link to these video's on youtube ??? i'd like to watch these and see what the big dilly is about....
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Re: Sunday's PBA Telecast and Teen Masters
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2014, 10:40:18 AM »
It doesn't warrant this type of response, but the bottom line is that they missed a lot of simple spares, them being younger doesn't change that.  They also aren't your average high schoolers.  I'm sure they're better spare shooters than they showed, but it wasn't a great day for either of them, that's just how it is.