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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Bigdady876 on March 21, 2005, 06:34:14 AM

Title: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Bigdady876 on March 21, 2005, 06:34:14 AM
Hello, I bowl in a league and this guy is using a ball with a flashing light inside of it.  I thought these balls were illegal for use in ABC Competition.  Please let me know.  Thank you!  Joe
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: JPRLane1 on March 21, 2005, 02:35:39 PM
Definitely illegal!
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Bigdady876 on March 21, 2005, 02:43:11 PM
Should I contact the ABC or just let my league secretary know that it is not legal?  Thank you!  Joe
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: JPRLane1 on March 21, 2005, 02:45:35 PM
I would start locally and go from there as high as you need to go.
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Ragnar on March 21, 2005, 02:49:21 PM
You might mention it to him.  He may be blissfully unaware.
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: DanH78 on March 21, 2005, 02:49:56 PM
I wouldn't make a bigger deal out of it than need be.  Sometimes people just don't know the rules, so if you tell them they are breaking the rules, then they are more than happy to comply.  But if you jump straight to the national level you're bound to cause some avoidable hard feelings.  Tell the league secretary  or league president and go from there.
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: debs130 on March 21, 2005, 03:33:52 PM
I bowled against a guy using one in an adult/junior league.  He used it as his spare ball and had no idea that it wasn't legal.  It was a sanctioned league, and I knew the ball was illegal, but I didn't see the need to make waves because it was just a fun league.  I'm more disturbed that the pro shop guy even sold it to him, knowing that it was going to be used in a sanctioned league.

Debbie
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Smash49 on March 21, 2005, 03:46:12 PM
Yep it's on the banned list.  We have 2 in the shop and at one time had 4 illegal balls. 2 quasars and 2 Michael Jordans.  People wanted them for some reason or another but the first thing we tell people is that they are illegal in sanctioned play.  Most are using them for glow bowling.

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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Not done on March 21, 2005, 04:04:59 PM
im pretty sure its only illeagle if they have any honor scores with the ball
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Smash49 on March 21, 2005, 08:12:54 PM
There is a list on bowl.com of the illegal for sanction play balls.  I want to say there was about 6 or so.   I was wrong!  Here is the link to the list.

http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballNonconforming.aspx

There are pictures of each one.  The site states "This is a list (with photos) of non-conforming bowling balls that cannot be used in USBC sanctioned competition."

The Quasar and the Micheal Jordan reasons are obivious.  I'm not sure about the others.

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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Bjaardker on March 21, 2005, 09:33:54 PM
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im pretty sure its only illeagle if they have any honor scores with the ball
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Yet another youngin' chiming in without knowing.

I wont go hard on you because I know you were just trying to participate, but, every bowling ball that is used in sanctioned competition MUST be approved by the ABC. This means honor score or not, none the the games bowled with the ball in question are legal & all scores are to be thrown out.

Beyond the rules, if a guy was using a quasar as a spare ball in my sanctioned fun league, I probably wouldn't bust him out. I would just mention to him quietly that the ball was illegal & if by chance he does shoot an honor score they wouldn't count.
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Bjaardker on March 21, 2005, 09:35:03 PM
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Why is the MJ ball illegal?
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Edited on 3/21/2005 10:31 PM
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: J_Mac on March 21, 2005, 10:00:23 PM
The Brunswick Web is illegal due to non conforming manufacturing method.  The separate colors are "fused" together in some way, shape, or form.  I guess the ABC is/was worried about it coming apart or something.
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: hotstoy on March 21, 2005, 10:05:13 PM
The quasar was banned because of metal(wires) in the lights.  The clearballs were banned only because of content. Censored in other words.  I wouldn't want one, but I think people should be able to use one if they want to.  I have no idea about the others, but would like to know.
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Overhand on March 22, 2005, 08:57:37 AM
The whiskey clear ball has liquid in the bottles in the center.  Shifting weight would be and interested performance factor (no, not in this clear ball, but maybe in an 'absolut' inferno?)

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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: J_Mac on March 22, 2005, 12:26:04 PM
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The whiskey clear ball has liquid in the bottles in the center.  Shifting weight would be and interested performance factor (no, not in this clear ball, but maybe in an 'absolut' inferno?)



The main reason would be the metal caps I believe.   I find it hard to believe that they actually left the alcohol in the bottles.
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: shelley on March 22, 2005, 02:36:30 PM
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I read that the Quasar was banned because you had to put batteries in it and that constituted a moveable weight block.



I don't think the batteries are designed to be removable/replaceable.

SH
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: SirAshley on March 22, 2005, 09:48:06 PM
Okay perhaps I'm wrong on this one but I say who FREAKING cares. The is a guy throwing a ball with a light in it.. How much of an advantage can he really have? If I got beat by a guy with a light in his ball then I deserve to lose. I'm not saying break all the rules, topside weight or something performance enhancing I could see, but a light in his ball. Do the guy a favor, Don't be a rat and keep you league fun and competitive. Just my 2 cents..
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Maelstrom on March 23, 2005, 12:02:39 AM
As for some of the other non approving balls, the Reaction Express, Arc Platinum and Power Rock all have the same core, though I don't know anything about it other than it was not released here and is illegal, to my knowledge. The Reaction Express and Arc Platinum use the Mega-Tec coverstock...
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Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Berreez on March 23, 2005, 09:47:19 AM
Taken from the USBC web site.

Markings

Any bowling ball used in USBC sanctioned
competition must be approved and identifiable as a ball
listed in the “approved bowling ball” list located on the
Specifications and Certifications page on www.bowl.com.
Additionally, for identification purposes, each ball must
have some form of serial number (this may be engraved or
re-engraved by the bowler). Since all bowling balls manufactured
prior to the creation of the ball list (January 1991)
have been previously approved, the acceptance of these
balls is at the discretion of the tournament director and/or
league official.

Material:
1. The ball shall be constructed of solid material ie: no
liquids, and without voids in its interior.

2. Any materials added to or included in the coverstock
shall be equally distributed throughout the entire
coverstock of the ball, except for materials used in
logos and other required markings.
3. The density of any piece/component in a ball (i.e.: core,
coverstock, weight block, etc.) shall not exceed
3.80 g/mL (i.e.: no pure metals or high density materials).
4. Following approval of the ball, the introduction of
substances that are not comparable to the original
material used in manufacturing of a bowling ball is
prohibited. Likewise, altering a bowling ball in any
way so as to increase its weight or cause it to be off
balance outside the specifications is prohibited.
Surface:
The surface of the ball shall be free of all depressions or
grooves of specific pattern, except for holes or indentations
used for gripping the ball, identification lettering and
numbers, and incidental chipping or marking caused by
wear. Engraved pictures are not considered grooves of
specific pattern.


Edited on 3/23/2005 10:42 AM
Title: Re: Flashing Ball Legal in ABC Competition?
Post by: Not done on March 23, 2005, 01:46:33 PM
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im pretty sure its only illeagle if they have any honor scores with the ball
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Yet another youngin' chiming in without knowing.

I wont go hard on you because I know you were just trying to participate, but, every bowling ball that is used in sanctioned competition MUST be approved by the ABC. This means honor score or not, none the the games bowled with the ball in question are legal & all scores are to be thrown out.

Beyond the rules, if a guy was using a quasar as a spare ball in my sanctioned fun league, I probably wouldn't bust him out. I would just mention to him quietly that the ball was illegal & if by chance he does shoot an honor score they wouldn't count.


I guess the rules are slightly different between CTF and ABC... thansk for the clear up.
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