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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: xrayjay on April 01, 2014, 12:57:34 PM
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makes you throw just one brand? (if you are)
I'm finding it hard in the last 4 to 5 years to throw anything else but Storm. Before I tried storm, I was liking Track and C300 (pre ebo) and the V2 by Ebo. Since trying Storm in 2006, I've tried other brands. AZO, LM, Bruns, Hammer, Motiv, and DV8. All these balls except Too Reckless, were all sold or given away.
Now that I'm slowly starting a new bag for Fall/winter 2014, I'm really hesitant to try other brands. Right now, I'm thinking Storm (ZG, IQF, and Breeze) for starters. But LordField looks good where I'll be bowling leagues. But.....I hate to try something and after surface adjustments and 24 games, I ended up selling it or giving it away. (There are a one or two Storm/RG balls I didn't like too)
I know there are advantages of using multiple brands, especially if I bowl a travel league. But, I think my style/game limits me to a few brands, and I just found only one for now...
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I bowl primarily with Motiv, but I do have a couple of rarely used Storm/Roto pieces.
I got introduced to the Motiv product at the BTM Super School when it was held in Middleton Ohio. We received a "free" Motiv ball, which was a GT-1. Since then, I have continued to use Motiv.
Why do I use only Motiv? No real reason other than it seems to match up to my style of bowling.
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I tried the Primal and I just couldn't find a surface to let it roll for me. I don't remember the layout, but I think some balls just have limits when laying out a ball too. But then again, I'm not layout thinker....
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I tried the Primal and I just couldn't find a surface to let it roll for me. I don't remember the layout, but I think some balls just have limits when laying out a ball too. But then again, I'm not layout thinker....
I've had good results with all the Primal series, even the Impulse. But I assume you mean the Rage (Redball). Mine came new with a somewhat dull finish and I didn't like it until I polished the cover a bit. Now I love it.
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xray,
I wish I had that scenario. I have had good and bad from a lot of ball companies. The only company that has ever really never worked for me is Ebonite. I liked the Big One, but it died within probably 50-75 games, and no amount of soaking, washing, baking seemed to bring it back....oh unless you count the Clear Wolf spare ball....I still have the same one I bought in 1996, lol.
I have only tried one Motiv ball, the 2Cruel. And I could not seem to get that ball to work for me. I was bowling in a Sports league/PBAX league at the time and that ball just never seemed to want to hook. Tried multiple surfaces, enlarged the weight hole, just nothing. I have been hesitant to try Motiv again after that.
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I've thrown something from 95% of the brands out there at one time or another. Right now, it's my unbiased opinion that Motiv has the best equipment on the market. They simply do things other companies' equipment can't. Storm would be a close second, but coverstock durability issues hurt them, their covers suck up oil at a faster rate. The Primal Rage and Venom Shock boast the best ball reactions I've EVER seen.
As far as sticking with one company, most companies a decade or so ago didn't have such diversity in their equipment. Brunswick was always early and smooth, Storm was always long and strong, etc., but since they've all started becoming more well rounded, I'd say it's perfectly ok, and almost better to stick with the company you match up with the best. You'll be familiar with the equipment characteristics, but still have a diverse amount of shapes to choose from. I've decided to just stick with Motiv, and I think that will be better than trying to mix and match. Some people DO mix and match and it works out very well for them. I don't think there's one better way than the other, but if you can't miss with Storm, I definitely wouldn't overthink it.
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I tried the Primal and I just couldn't find a surface to let it roll for me. I don't remember the layout, but I think some balls just have limits when laying out a ball too. But then again, I'm not layout thinker....
I've had good results with all the Primal series, even the Impulse. But I assume you mean the Rage (Redball). Mine came new with a somewhat dull finish and I didn't like it until I polished the cover a bit. Now I love it.
I had the primal TV4.... This ball on other peoples hands is a beast. Just not for me.
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Jorge300 and Giz..
The Hyroad did it for me. Being able to use this ball on multiple patterns, yet give me the length and controll just sold me to Storm. Though I had two of these, the one with the higher/longer pin was picky. I couldn't use it on tougher conditions, only on a few THS.
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I tried the Primal and I just couldn't find a surface to let it roll for me. I don't remember the layout, but I think some balls just have limits when laying out a ball too. But then again, I'm not layout thinker....
I've had good results with all the Primal series, even the Impulse. But I assume you mean the Rage (Redball). Mine came new with a somewhat dull finish and I didn't like it until I polished the cover a bit. Now I love it.
I had the primal TV4.... This ball on other peoples hands is a beast. Just not for me.
I've had other people say the same thing. I LOVE the TV4! I have two drilled and one in reserve. One of the better balls I have used.
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If this doesn't make you cream your panties, I don't know what would:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5j2c_qZRLU
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The motiv gt-1 is an amazing ball.
I primarily use Brunswick and have for years. It matches up well for me and ive found it easy to go from ball to ball and fill an arsenal. Ive started to add DV8 and Radical the last couple seasons with great success.
Ive tried other brands off and on. I have no complaints with any of them. Brunswick still just works best for me.
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If this doesn't make you cream your panties, I don't know what would:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5j2c_qZRLU
I need a towel
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I was never really the one brand kind of guy. Until I threw my first Motiv. It was a Tribal, and it so greatly impressed me that I had to try another one to see if the company as a whole was better, or if it was just one release. I tried a Primal Rage next. One thing led to another and I haven't thrown anything else since. I don't see myself throwing any other companies again. I have no need. I use what I feel is the best possible equipment I can get my hands on, and I have confidence that they'll last longer than anything else on the market.
On another note, since I've thrown just the one brand, I find it much easier to choose new equipment. The shock for instance. I knew exactly what it would do immediately because I have a revolt and knew what to expect. I guess im trying to say it's easier to fill holes in the arsenal with confidence.
And btw, I legitimately feel bad for anyone who hasn't thrown a Motiv lately. Pays to have an open mind in this case.
Matt
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The motiv gt-1 is an amazing ball.
I primarily use Brunswick and have for years. It matches up well for me and ive found it easy to go from ball to ball and fill an arsenal. Ive started to add DV8 and Radical the last couple seasons with great success.
Ive tried other brands off and on. I have no complaints with any of them. Brunswick still just works best for me.
I've tried several Brunswick balls and only liked the slingshot. I missed the on the original inferno, but the other three balls I didn't like. Ultra zone, BI, and UI...back then everyone was throwing infernos....
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Likewise With Storm, they currently have everything I'm looking for. Making it easier to pick and choose. But there is that "what if" factor lol....
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Likewise With Storm, they currently have everything I'm looking for. Making it easier to pick and choose. But there is that "what if" factor lol....
I legitimately have not had a single non Motiv ball give me that what if feeling. If I see someone throw something, I immediately think of what Motiv ball would give me that reaction, only better, for longer. To each his own though!
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OP doesn't apply to me.
I tend to create slots in my arsenal and attempt to fill by using driller recommendations as well as what balls tend to be big hits.
A lot of people like to create an arsenal based off one brand (for progressions etc) but I've always been able to create a nice progression of ball motions using a variety of brands. I had at one time used an all Hammer arsenal but it wasn't something I couldn't create using all brands.
Just me though.
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I actually feel the same way. I've had GREAT balls from other companies, Hammer's Jigsaw Trap and especially the Taboo, Storm's Prodigy, DV8s Brutal Nightmare, Seismic's Venator and Raging Bull Long Horn, etc. But the Motiv version of all of those is THE ball. The Sigma Sting is a better Prodigy, the Revolt is a better Taboo, the Sigma Tour is a better Venator, etc. Obviously every brand loyal guy will feel that way, and it's not about trying to make a case for one company vs another, it's about the concept. If Storm does for you what Motiv does for us, THROW IT.
Likewise With Storm, they currently have everything I'm looking for. Making it easier to pick and choose. But there is that "what if" factor lol....
I legitimately have not had a single non Motiv ball give me that what if feeling. If I see someone throw something, I immediately think of what Motiv ball would give me that reaction, only better, for longer. To each his own though!
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I actually feel the same way. I've had GREAT balls from other companies, Hammer's Jigsaw Trap and especially the Taboo, Storm's Prodigy, DV8s Brutal Nightmare, Seismic's Venator and Raging Bull Long Horn, etc. But the Motiv version of all of those is THE ball. The Sigma Sting is a better Prodigy, the Revolt is a better Taboo, the Sigma Tour is a better Venator, etc. Obviously every brand loyal guy will feel that way, and it's not about trying to make a case for one company vs another, it's about the concept. If Storm does for you what Motiv does for us, THROW IT.
Likewise With Storm, they currently have everything I'm looking for. Making it easier to pick and choose. But there is that "what if" factor lol....
I legitimately have not had a single non Motiv ball give me that what if feeling. If I see someone throw something, I immediately think of what Motiv ball would give me that reaction, only better, for longer. To each his own though!
Which current MOTIV ball would be your "replacement" for a Track Freak (Yes,i have a fresh one of these, maybe 15-20 games) or Hyper Cell?
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I actually feel the same way. I've had GREAT balls from other companies, Hammer's Jigsaw Trap and especially the Taboo, Storm's Prodigy, DV8s Brutal Nightmare, Seismic's Venator and Raging Bull Long Horn, etc. But the Motiv version of all of those is THE ball. The Sigma Sting is a better Prodigy, the Revolt is a better Taboo, the Sigma Tour is a better Venator, etc. Obviously every brand loyal guy will feel that way, and it's not about trying to make a case for one company vs another, it's about the concept. If Storm does for you what Motiv does for us, THROW IT.
Likewise With Storm, they currently have everything I'm looking for. Making it easier to pick and choose. But there is that "what if" factor lol....
I legitimately have not had a single non Motiv ball give me that what if feeling. If I see someone throw something, I immediately think of what Motiv ball would give me that reaction, only better, for longer. To each his own though!
Which current MOTIV ball would be your "replacement" for a Track Freak (Yes,i have a fresh one of these, maybe 15-20 games) or Hyper Cell?
I don't know the Track Freak, but the closest to the Hyper Cell (in the Motiv line up) will be the Cruel Intent.
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Freak, probably the Revolt. Although the Freak has a particle cover, it also has a high rg. The Revolt being a low rg would basically make up for the fact that it's reactive, no particle. You would probably get better continuation and carry out of the Revolt though. Not that that would be a huge issue. Lol.
As for the Hyper Cell, the Cruel Intent or the Raptor Talon with the correct drilling would it's replacement with ease.
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I throw predominately Ebonite, but for a funny reason. I find them on clearance and used for super cheap compared to other brands, and capitalize on their unpopularity by building an arsenal that I can afford.
I also find them very good balls that last a long time, so that helps.
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makes you throw just one brand?
Cause it makes me feel like I'm on staff and others will seemingly think so as well. Duh!
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makes you throw just one brand?
Cause it makes me feel like I'm on staff and others will seemingly think so as well. Duh!
LMAO! Is that why one guy at a tourney asked me if I bowl Regionals? I'm a kook!
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I throw predominately Ebonite, but for a funny reason. I find them on clearance and used for super cheap compared to other brands, and capitalize on their unpopularity by building an arsenal that I can afford.
I also find them very good balls that last a long time, so that helps.
I'm in the same boat so to speak. I wait for balls to go on the "must go item" list...The last current NIB I Bought were the crossroad and Vivid. The rest (reign supreme, shooting star, etc..were on clearance)
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I went to almost all Storm simply for the ease of building an arsenal. I have sometimes found it difficult to determine how different balls are supposed to fit next to one another. Well, by sticking to one brand, that work is kind of done for me. I can just use Storm's own literature to tell me how certain balls are supposed to stack up to one another. It's made things easier and helped me avoid having a bunch of overlapping pieces in the bag.
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xray,
I loved the HyRoad, had a bunch of 300's and an 857 with it (small figjam,lol). Also liked the Modern Marvel a little. But then I tried the Nano Pearl and I thought it was junk, for me. I tried Seismic, loved the Solaris Requiem, but couldn't get a good reaction with the Aftermath. Tried Motiv, as I said, and the 2Cruel was just junk. So far, I have had pretty good luck with Radical, like the Reax and Reax Pearl I have. I can go on and on, lol. I liked some of the Hammer line, loved the Black Widow, even liked the No Mercy and the Jigsaw Corner. Loved my Roto Grip Grenade back in the day, and the Original Cell, but hated the Rouge Cell and tried a Defiant and thought it was ok, not great. Maybe, like Gizmo said in another thread, I am just an idiot, lol.
I would love to find one company where I just loved everything I tried, or at least the majority of it. I would stick with one company. It obviously makes it easier to put together an arsenal, and cover the majority of conditions you might face. Plus the bonus of looking like a staffer that DP3 mentioned, lol. So for you Motiv guys, since I didn't like the 2Cruel at all...just never turned the corner or hit, what would be a good ball to try in the Motive line? I am RH, about 19 mph, about 380 RPM, and tilt of about 26 deg.
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xray,
I loved the HyRoad, had a bunch of 300's and an 857 with it (small figjam,lol). Also liked the Modern Marvel a little. But then I tried the Nano Pearl and I thought it was junk, for me. I tried Seismic, loved the Solaris Requiem, but couldn't get a good reaction with the Aftermath. Tried Motiv, as I said, and the 2Cruel was just junk. So far, I have had pretty good luck with Radical, like the Reax and Reax Pearl I have. I can go on and on, lol. I liked some of the Hammer line, loved the Black Widow, even liked the No Mercy and the Jigsaw Corner. Loved my Roto Grip Grenade back in the day, and the Original Cell, but hated the Rouge Cell and tried a Defiant and thought it was ok, not great. Maybe, like Gizmo said in another thread, I am just an idiot, lol.
I would love to find one company where I just loved everything I tried, or at least the majority of it. I would stick with one company. It obviously makes it easier to put together an arsenal, and cover the majority of conditions you might face. Plus the bonus of looking like a staffer that DP3 mentioned, lol. So for you Motiv guys, since I didn't like the 2Cruel at all...just never turned the corner or hit, what would be a good ball to try in the Motive line? I am RH, about 19 mph, about 380 RPM, and tilt of about 26 deg.
Personally, I think the Sigma Sting is the best ball Motiv has produced to date. Then again, I've had great success with the 2 Cruel. LOL
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With all these different "literature" used for coverstocks, hook potential, and even number names for balls (track) etc.....it gets really confusing to catch up. It's like trying to read a hip-hop/rapper's welcome hand shake, or the third base coaches sign for bunt..
I get lost with all these layout names too.... dual angle, PSA, 4 x 4, etc... it's like fu fu coffee names at Starbucks...why do you think many bowlers think so damn much?
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I throw predominately Ebonite, but for a funny reason. I find them on clearance and used for super cheap compared to other brands, and capitalize on their unpopularity by building an arsenal that I can afford.
I also find them very good balls that last a long time, so that helps.
This is the best answer I have ever heard and I do the same primarily. I'm not one to spend $500 a month on equipment, I'd rather spend around $600 a season on equipment buying the closeouts from a year or two ago to gauge what motions and core numbers suit my style the best. Then I will find a closeout with similar characteristics to build an arsenal based on what I see.
Very good answer, and Ebonite is still making very good equipment.
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I just bought a dirty look and look for $70 a piece nib. Winning.
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Personally, I think the Sigma Sting is the best ball Motiv has produced to date. Then again, I've had great success with the 2 Cruel. LOL
Milo, I guess that proves you're not an idiot like me, lol.
Don't know, my ball driller was confused as well. It spun well in the shop, but never translated to the lanes. I tried playing with the surface....lower grit to get it moving earlier....higher grit thinking it was burning up, the only thing I didn't try was adding polish. And I was bowling in PBAX shots, so there should have been enough oil for it. In these situations, my go to excuse is usually "operator error", lol.
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Personally, I think the Sigma Sting is the best ball Motiv has produced to date. Then again, I've had great success with the 2 Cruel. LOL
Milo, I guess that proves you're not an idiot like me, lol.
Don't know, my ball driller was confused as well. It spun well in the shop, but never translated to the lanes. I tried playing with the surface....lower grit to get it moving earlier....higher grit thinking it was burning up, the only thing I didn't try was adding polish. And I was bowling in PBAX shots, so there should have been enough oil for it. In these situations, my go to excuse is usually "operator error", lol.
I know a few people who didn't like it. My pro shop guy gave me a good deal on the ball just to get it out of his shop he hated it so much. Drilled one for himself and didn't work. Drilled them for a couple of other people, no luck there either.
I shot 793 with mine first time I used it.
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Is that 19 mph off your hand or on the monitor?
With that speed and rev rate, I would get the Revolt if I were you. The ball is fantastic. That or the Shock. Both balls are honestly incredible. I never had the 2 Cruel, so I can't speak on that much, but Ive drilled 5-6 Revolts and 4 Shocks now and can't find anyone to say anything bad about them.
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Matt,
The MPH is based on the monitor and the rev rate is based on CATS.
I will have to take a look at those as well. I might give Motiv one more try. There are too many people raving about them here not too. :)
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Matt,
The MPH is based on the monitor and the rev rate is based on CATS.
I will have to take a look at those as well. I might give Motiv one more try. There are too many people raving about them here not too. :)
You have issues with any other brand's high rg stuff like you did with the 2 Cruel? Just out of curiosity.
Yeah with your speed I would lean toward the Revolt. You'd probably like it better being that it picks up a roll a little sooner, and is more aggressive overall. Especially with your ball speed.
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I have better "luck" with utah...
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I have better "luck" with utah...
I'm guessing Storm?
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I love Storm. I started out with a C300 White Dot for my first ball back in my youth league days, but then I was gifted a Storm Tropical Heat and loved that ball. Stupidly I left it in the trunk of my car in the Tucson summer heat and it cracked. I then got a 900 Global Hook and was looking for something that was a bit more aggressive since I was learning to throw fingertip, but I got rid of that ball almost as soon as I got it. I traded it for a Storm Vivid and never looked back. I still have a WD and my coach suggested a Hammer Arson Low Flare as a mid-level ball, but the rest of my arsenal is Storm.
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Matt,
The MPH is based on the monitor and the rev rate is based on CATS.
I will have to take a look at those as well. I might give Motiv one more try. There are too many people raving about them here not too. :)
You have issues with any other brand's high rg stuff like you did with the 2 Cruel? Just out of curiosity.
Yeah with your speed I would lean toward the Revolt. You'd probably like it better being that it picks up a roll a little sooner, and is more aggressive overall. Especially with your ball speed.
Matt,
Because of my ball speed, I tend to stay away from high RG balls usually. I am always afraid it will go too long. My driller got a good deal to try to bring Motiv into Calgary, and he thought the core and cover of the 2Cruel would work for me. He was surprised by the reaction, or lack thereof, as well. Others who tried some of the other Motiv equipment he got in this deal, seemed to like it a lot.
Let me add that I do like some higher RG equipment when looking for medium or dry lane coverage. Just don't normally go for it when looking for something to handle heavier/longer patterns.
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The primal TV4 I had was probably from a bad batch. Other guys who threw the ball made it move nicely throughout. From high rev rates to low rev rates, the ball moved for them.
I tried different cover adjustments and still didn't work. It was just too time consuming on the spinner trying to find that right grit to get this ball to react on the THS's I bowled on. One house being lighter with length and the other house with more oil and length.
Also, maybe the layout too may have not been conducive to my style??? 4x4x3..
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4x4x3 should be a layout that works for just about everybody. Motiv keeps getting significantly better every year. I can't imagine them being able to put out anything better than what they have at this point though. Not every ball will look good for everyone, but they have a few "can't miss" balls in the Primal Rage, Venom Shock, and Covert Revolt. If you don't like these balls, you're doing something wrong. Wrong layout, surface, lane condition, something. Every Primal Rage I drill for somebody becomes their first out of the bag on EVERYTHING.
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Gizmo, Matt,
If I were to invest in a ball, I am leaning toward the Venom Shock right now. I like the Reax I have, plus picked up a Darkness in the deal they ran on here. So think I am covered from a heavy oil perspective. But the Venom Shock is interesting. In looking at it though, it is listed as a Dry to Med ball. I am worried it will be too long on a true Medium shot for me with my ball speed. Was really thinking this might work in Reno for me as a step down once the lanes break in a little. What are your thoughts on this?
Sorry for hijacking the thread, lol.
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It might surprise you, everytime I see EJ Tackett on anything, he's throwing it. Yeah he's got a high rev rate, but he can play that deep on PBA oil volumes, that says something. I think it's more of a medium to medium heavy ball. It's really clean up front and covers a lot of boards on the back, but it's really controllable and predictable.
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It might surprise you, everytime I see EJ Tackett on anything, he's throwing it. Yeah he's got a high rev rate, but he can play that deep on PBA oil volumes, that says something. I think it's more of a medium to medium heavy ball. It's really clean up front and covers a lot of boards on the back, but it's really controllable and predictable.
Thanks Gizmo.
But you're really not helping.....I don't need another ball right now....and you are making it hard to not try this one, lol.
Is Motiv in Reno anywhere? I thought last year they were in the Visionary booth. I still throw 16lbs, and I don't think anyone around here stocks it in 16lbs, and I leave for Reno next Friday, so no time to ship it without paying a fortune.
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They SHOULD have a booth this year, they're big enough now. I don't know why they wouldn't, they have a big enough product line. I don't know for sure though . .
It might surprise you, everytime I see EJ Tackett on anything, he's throwing it. Yeah he's got a high rev rate, but he can play that deep on PBA oil volumes, that says something. I think it's more of a medium to medium heavy ball. It's really clean up front and covers a lot of boards on the back, but it's really controllable and predictable.
Thanks Gizmo.
But you're really not helping.....I don't need another ball right now....and you are making it hard to not try this one, lol.
Is Motiv in Reno anywhere? I thought last year they were in the Visionary booth. I still throw 16lbs, and I don't think anyone around here stocks it in 16lbs, and I leave for Reno next Friday, so no time to ship it without paying a fortune.
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It might surprise you, everytime I see EJ Tackett on anything, he's throwing it. Yeah he's got a high rev rate, but he can play that deep on PBA oil volumes, that says something. I think it's more of a medium to medium heavy ball. It's really clean up front and covers a lot of boards on the back, but it's really controllable and predictable.
Thanks Gizmo.
But you're really not helping.....I don't need another ball right now....and you are making it hard to not try this one, lol.
Is Motiv in Reno anywhere? I thought last year they were in the Visionary booth. I still throw 16lbs, and I don't think anyone around here stocks it in 16lbs, and I leave for Reno next Friday, so no time to ship it without paying a fortune.
Sorry for the delay, but I didn't see your question until just now. Missed it when another page was added to the topic.
Anyway, about the shock. I've had it for a few weeks now. Honestly, I haven't put it down. I know it's listed as a med-light oil ball, but I kid you not they could have sold it at the high performance level and no one I know would have been disappointed. The ball moves. A lot more than expected. It's almost as much as my Revolt. Not quite, and definitely a different shape, but it's close, line-wise.
Best part of all...the ball is awesome. Hits like a truck, great continuation. It's forgiving, and just doesn't quit. I did have a bit of over/under reaction out of the box. It says 4000, but mine was shinier looking than that. I hit it with 4000 and that made it a whole different ball. It really kind of feels like cheating throwing the thing. That, plus how good it looks as a bonus, makes it an easy choice. I feel bad for people who don't have one.
Matt
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Thanks Matt.
Appreciate your help and knowledge.
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I tend to favor lower end pieces because I bowl on lighter/drier patterns. With my low revrate and average speed, would the Venom Shock be something close to the tropical heat (solid)?
Storms tropical heat solid was first out of the bag before I (sometimes) switched to the breeze pearl. I got rid of both balls this weekend and looking to try Motiv once more.....
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I tend to favor lower end pieces because I bowl on lighter/drier patterns. With my low revrate and average speed, would the Venom Shock be something close to the tropical heat (solid)?
Storms tropical heat solid was first out of the bag before I (sometimes) switched to the breeze pearl. I got rid of both balls this weekend and looking to try Motiv once more.....
I'm guessing a little bit here, as ivennever thrown the tropical heat solid, but I would imagine that the shock would be a little more aggressive. Should be able to create a simular shape with surface though.
Again, you might be able to get better insight from someone who has thrown both.
Matt
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I tend to favor lower end pieces because I bowl on lighter/drier patterns. With my low revrate and average speed, would the Venom Shock be something close to the tropical heat (solid)?
Storms tropical heat solid was first out of the bag before I (sometimes) switched to the breeze pearl. I got rid of both balls this weekend and looking to try Motiv once more.....
I'm guessing a little bit here, as ivennever thrown the tropical heat solid, but I would imagine that the shock would be a little more aggressive. Should be able to create a simular shape with surface though.
Again, you might be able to get better insight from someone who has thrown both.
Matt
Thanks...
I might just have to try the V. shock to find out lol. right now, all i have is a freak'n frantic to bowl on THS next season. where would the Shock fill with FF?
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If 900 Global/AMF went the way of the buffalo, I would give a few Storm pieces a try, but I have to say that Motiv has been looking REALLY good.
But honestly, lots of Nick Siefer's designs have suited me. So I might just go wherever he goes.
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The big reason I've been sticking with Roto Grip and adding some Storm balls has been that the reactions I get work well with my higher speed/medium rev game. I've thrown balls from Track, Hammer, Ebonite and C300. Even though they make good equipment, the match up with Roto Grip and Storm has just been better.
I have been thinking of possibly giving Motiv a shot in the future. Many of their new balls appear to be really good.