Post by: six pack on January 23, 2009, 03:44:10 PM
Just how snug should you set up the thumb hole?I figured I would give it a try on myself first the set up the wife's stuff if I think it works,she always has a problem with her thumb and if it works out well it would make my life a little easier.
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Post by: Kid Jete on January 24, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
Post by: six pack on January 24, 2009, 12:42:16 AM
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Post by: ThongPrincess on January 24, 2009, 02:19:30 AM
The idea behind the carpet is it allows a tight fit without the vacuum forming that prevents a clean release. It takes some getting used to how snug you can get the thumb. I tried the Magic Carpet in North Carolina and Ron kept telling me to put in more tape. I wasn't sure the ball would come off the hand, but he knew what he was talking about
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Post by: johns811 on January 24, 2009, 02:53:57 AM
Post by: charlest on January 24, 2009, 08:08:28 AM
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I've got a piece of Magic Carpet in one ball, and velcro in another. They are very similar. The Carpet just feels a little softer/fuzzier IMO. Both work OK. Balls were both used and the thumb was just a little big so I tried it. It works fine but normally I don't used.
I found, when I tried MC, that it was a lot softer than Velcro. For that reason I would strongly suggest MC and not cheap out. MC can be hard on your thumb. The harder Velcro can be worse.
Get the real thing that designed for the situation.
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Post by: Hamburglar on January 24, 2009, 08:12:37 AM
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MC can be hard on your thumb. The harder Velcro can be worse.
Yep! Be prepared for a raw, bloody sore spot for a while...
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Post by: ThongPrincess on January 24, 2009, 09:47:50 AM
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MC can be hard on your thumb. The harder Velcro can be worse.
Yep! Be prepared for a raw, bloody sore spot for a while...
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Just one person, but I never had any bloody sore spot on the thumb with MC. I may just have a tough thumb
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Post by: johns811 on January 24, 2009, 09:59:38 AM
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Post by: six pack on January 24, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
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Post by: jbruno6 on January 24, 2009, 10:27:25 AM
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Post by: JohnP on January 24, 2009, 10:59:43 AM
Post by: six pack on January 24, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
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Magic Carpet won't hurt your thumb unless you "knuckle" it - then it will cause a raw spot on the knuckle. -- JohnP
one would think if you knuckle the ball with the M.C. in the thumb hole then you would never get out of the ball,unless you have your thumb hole to loose.
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 24, 2009, 11:06:34 AM
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Post by: jbruno6 on January 24, 2009, 11:14:28 AM
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 24, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
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Hogs, my wife picked up the adhesive velcro at Michaels Arts & Crafts, if they have one of those by you (or a similiar arts store). It comes in a roll also, 5/8 width or 3/4 width. It also comes in white and black. The roll, you can cut up to your preference, all for around 5 bucks.
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I use a 1 1/4" slug. I assume the 3/4" velcro would make the best fit?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on January 24, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
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I'm going to give the velcro a try. MC is a $20 minimum order. I don't want to waste $20 if I don't like it. If I like the velcro, I'll order the MC.
Hogsharley, Ron Clifton used to offer free samples of Magic Carpet to BR members. Just PM or email him and ask if he still offers the free samples. Won't cost you much to find out and if he still does, you will get to try a great product for free. Ron's user name on here is Magic Carpet. You can get his email address from his website. (http://"http://www.bowl4fun.com/magiccarpet/magiccarpet.htm")
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Post by: twister on January 24, 2009, 03:46:34 PM
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Post by: six pack on January 24, 2009, 03:54:30 PM
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Hogs, my wife picked up the adhesive velcro at Michaels Arts & Crafts, if they have one of those by you (or a similiar arts store). It comes in a roll also, 5/8 width or 3/4 width. It also comes in white and black. The roll, you can cut up to your preference, all for around 5 bucks.
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I use a 1 1/4" slug. I assume the 3/4" velcro would make the best fit?
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playing around with what I had I figured out why it works and I had the pieces too wide @ 7/8".a 1/2" strip is all you want as you need air gaps on each side of your thumb to release the air pressure when your thumb pulls out of the hole.any wider and it doesn't allow the air to escape enough for a good release.
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Edited on 1/24/2009 4:55 PM
Post by: Jay on January 25, 2009, 12:21:57 AM
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playing around with what I had I figured out why it works and I had the pieces too wide @ 7/8".a 1/2" strip is all you want as you need air gaps on each side of your thumb to release the air pressure when your thumb pulls out of the hole.any wider and it doesn't allow the air to escape enough for a good release.
Would the width of the vecro depend on the size of your thumb? I'm guessing the idea is just to get it so that some of the back of your thumb isn't in contact with the velcro.
Also, not sure if it's just me or if my memory of experience with MC is not very good, but I believe you need to open the thumb up a little more with velcro. I'm probably way off base there but the reason I think that is that the thumb hole I have a piece of it in, I have troubles clearing the thumb. Then again, that's probably solely because I have to work too hard to get the thumb in in that first place, and you can bet the size of the thumb hole from when I tried the MC versus the size of this one isn't the same.
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2009, 10:09:58 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 25, 2009, 10:41:37 AM
Since I use 3/4" White Tape and Valentino's Franken Tape, when I do use Magic Carpet, I trim a bit off each side so that it too will be 3/4".
For those of you that don't know this, due to the direction the loops of carpet are made, when you insert the Magic Carpet in the back of your thumb hole with the rounded end up, it gives a slower release and inserting it with the square end up gives a faster release.
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
I give it two thumbs up!
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 25, 2009, 09:35:45 PM
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Post by: six pack on January 25, 2009, 09:43:17 PM
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Has anyone tried the frizzy/nappy side of the velco?
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yeah bud,that's the side you use.the rough side would rip you up.
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 25, 2009, 09:49:01 PM
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johns811
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As per Johns811 post use the loop side. Now I'm confused
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Post by: Hogsharley on January 25, 2009, 09:52:43 PM
Do I use the one on the left or the one on the right?
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Post by: Jay on January 25, 2009, 10:03:13 PM
I recommend the Industrial Strength brand though. I personally had to deal with bad residue with another brand that I'm not sure of, and it was probably the regular VELCRO brand.
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Post by: JohnP on January 26, 2009, 02:33:56 AM
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For those of you that don't know this, due to the direction the loops of carpet are made, when you insert the Magic Carpet in the back of your thumb hole with the rounded end up, it gives a slower release and inserting it with the square end up gives a faster release.
The last order of MC's I got from Ron were round on both ends. I don't know if that's a permanent change or not. -- JohnP
Post by: scotts33 on January 26, 2009, 03:39:57 AM
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quote:For those of you that don't know this, due to the direction the loops of carpet are made, when you insert the Magic Carpet in the back of your thumb hole with the rounded end up, it gives a slower release and inserting it with the square end up gives a faster release.
The last order of MC's I got from Ron were round on both ends. I don't know if that's a permanent change or not. -- JohnP
Jim and John,
Both ends are rounded now and have been for awhile but you just run your finger over the MC and you can feel that one way is cleaner feeling than the other. I use the side up that feels cleaner.
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Post by: Jay on January 26, 2009, 04:21:32 AM
Post by: KingofKings696 on January 26, 2009, 07:53:54 AM
Post by: JohnP on January 26, 2009, 09:45:29 AM
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Both ends are rounded now and have been for awhile but you just run your finger over the MC and you can feel that one way is cleaner feeling than the other. I use the side up that feels cleaner.
That's good to know, I'll start checking before I put them in.
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How well does the carpet work for someone who has massive issues with shrinking and swelling?
Very well, the carpet will compress more or less as the thumb swells/shrinks. One of my customers used 6 - 10 pieces of black tape, continually adding or removing during a session, until I introduced him to Magic Carpet. Now he almost never has to add or remove tape. -- JohnP
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 26, 2009, 09:48:42 AM
quote:Also, Vise thumb slugs have a small notch on the back side that acts as a vent hole?. (Assuming you don't glue over the top of it!)
Doesn't anybody drill a vent hole into their thumb hole anymore? Sure fire way to prevent any vacuum from letting your thumb get out of the ball.