Author Topic: Foreign object!!! (Read 3448 times)

Greatness · « **on:** March 12, 2004, 03:28:01 AM »

I work at the bowling alley and repair balls that have been damaged. I got to checking out this nice looking x factor that was damaged when i noticed a quarter in the middle finger hole locked in by the finger insert. I fixed his ball and when he picked it up I asked him about it. He said there was a funny story behind the quarter so i insisted he tell me. He goes on to tell me his story about a ball he drilled for himself a couple years back. He was drilling the ball for himself at home and walked away for a while for dinner. After dinner he put the finishing touches which included glueing the inserts in place. He then took the ball out and bowled a 300 and now views a quarter in the hole as luck. He found out later that his kid put the quarter in there and now does that with all his balls for luck.

My question is, is that legal? If it keeps the static weight within abc requirements, why would it be illegal?

Greatness

mrfjmt · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2004, 06:53:38 PM »

Not legal, for two reasons:
1. Metallic substances in a ball are illegal
2. Movable objects in a ball are illegal

See the ABC equipment specification: http://www.bowl.com/bowl/abc/common/rules/searchable.html?file=ch6.html

stanski · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2004, 08:19:02 PM »

if its true you cant have metal in a ball, how did they make titanium cored balls(messanger ti, boss ti etc.)? last time i checked titanium was a metal. And finger inserts are not always glued in tight, which does make them moveable. For that matter, rosin inside a hole is moveable. The rule is quite flawed in its wording if you are correct in your assessment
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stanski · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2004, 08:20:05 PM »

and if im not mistaken, coverstocks are ionic compounds not molecular, which means that they have a metal in the formula
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Greatness · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2004, 08:21:06 PM »

The quarter was jammed in there good, i am guessing it was jammed against the walls of the hole and the rubber of the insert held it in place. The quarter will not move. Does it make it legal now?

Greatness

stanski · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2004, 08:24:26 PM »

according to the rule, no, read the link in the other dudes post, but i think the rule is retarted, but so is almost every other rule that mostly benifits manufacturers so they can make more money.
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stanski · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2004, 08:51:26 PM »

look in a chemistry textbook, in the periodic table, it clearly shows titanium is a metal, no matter what the isotope, which i think is what you are referring too since i highly doubt they would call it titanium when it is a molecular compound. i mean, do we call hydrochloric acid hydrogen?
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cgilyeat · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:18:26 PM »

From the ABC Rule Book Chapter 6:

quote:
A bowling ball shall be constructed without voids in its interior, be of a nonmetallic composition material and conform to the specifications for weight, size and balance.
...
The introduction of metal or any other substance not comparable to the original material used in the manufacture of the ball is prohibited. Also, altering a ball in any way to increase its weight or cause it to be out of balance beyond the tolerances is prohibited.

Based on my understading, any ball he has with the quarter in it is illegal and the 300 should have been thrown out because he used an illegal ball. While the tule may be flawed, it is the rule. If you are going to bowl in a sanctioned league, either follow the rules, or don't bowl in a sanctioned league.

rec2123 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2004, 05:55:06 PM »

My question is this, do you think that quarter really gave him an advantage?

TheBowlingKid25 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2004, 06:16:58 PM »

Ok, seriously, first off, is a quarter, that doesnt move, going to make ANY DIFFERENCE in reaction what so ever? I dont think so, and, will they pull out his inserts and look for "metallica objects"? I dont think so, so what, its not like its going to give him an edge or anything. at least not IMO
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15 years and still going strong! 15 years old that is!

The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
AM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique

And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.

livespive · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2004, 06:33:08 PM »

I don't know what the weight of a quater is
but this about the dynamics of the core.

Assume for ease of discussion, that the quarter weighs
1oz now lets assume just a circular core:

--***
-*----*
-*----*
--***

Assume nothing gets taken out of the core when the wholes are drilled.

now insert finger wholes with quarter:

--*Q*
-*----*
-*----*
--***

You have just created a ball with a one once flip block in it.

Granted there are plenty of balls with flipblocks but maybe they
just aren't heavy enough to get the job done, and the quater
is just enough.

FOod for thought.

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Visionary Test Staff Member

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TheBowlingKid25 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2004, 07:00:46 PM »

I retract my previous statement.

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15 years and still going strong! 15 years old that is!

The names Warrior Princess, Xena..Warrior Princess
AM not A CHICK OF BOWLING but I wanted to be in Manda's clique

And why would I "saw" pins in half, THATS A WASTE OF PINS! I'd rather blow it over with my storm, and 21mph ball speed on dry shots.

charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2004, 07:04:59 PM »

quote:
and if im not mistaken, coverstocks are ionic compounds not molecular, which means that they have a metal in the formula
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stanski

1. Ionic = metal?

'splain, please.

2, and Stannnous fluorid ein your toothpaste mena you ar ebrushign your teath with tin, (stannous is the chemical representation for tin with positive ions.)

Amazing that I remember this crap as I took chemistry in high school, circa 1962-3 ...
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"Just because you can do something does not mean you should do it."

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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2004, 07:42:02 PM »

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Ok. We did this metal and non-metal crap in science this year and I aced it all. Ionic=metal. Ionic compound=compound with metal in it.
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Puh-lease! what did you "do"?
An ion is simply a charged atom, positive or negative. It has NOT ONE BLESSED THING to do with whether it's metallic or not. You may have "did" it, but you didn't pay very close attention.
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stanski · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2004, 10:57:15 PM »

molecular compounds are ones made only of non-metals through covalent bonding. Ionic compounds or formula units are positively charges metals bonded with negative nonmetals through ionic bonds. and even though they are not classified as "metals", and you cant really say they are made of metal or even have the properties of metals, but still, metal is in the formula. And i still dont know why they call them titanium cores if they are ceramic?
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stanski

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