Post by: The Hose on December 17, 2003, 07:02:18 PM
At times, I've shot good scores but felt like I shouldn't have shot 600. Other times, I felt like I really made some good shots all night yet didn't shoot 650.
What makes people think they are "good" when they play on walls? What makes people blame the lanes when they bowl bad?
Do you judge your night by how you threw the ball or how you scored?
I bowled in a new house last night and couldn't believe how easy they were, it was a joke. I threw 4 different balls and didn't make but about 3 good shots all night, yet shot 680. If I was on a tour or sport shot and threw the ball like that, I wouldn't have shot 570. I was even ashamed to tell someone my score when they asked, it just didn't matter, I stunk up the place.
On the other hand, this cat shot 735 and bragged about how good he tossed it. Give me a break! The cat almost tossed a couple in the ditch when he was playing 15 and the ball bounced off the ditch and struck. He had 4 brooklyns that I say and sprayed the ball everywere in between. He even had the nerve to tell me that he was playing them 10 boards different. He may have, it woldn't have mattered on that crap.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on December 18, 2003, 10:37:42 AM
when I bowl poorly, or under-average (happens a lot lately).....I can still focus on what I did good, and some of those poor nights I can pick out quite a few good things I did.
With my new span, I'm going thru a release change too because I'm not used to it quite yet...the last 2 weeks haven't been OUTSTANDING, but I've been really pleased with the way I've been throwing the ball lately...643-638 (above my starting average this year 204, and well above my current average 196)
But even with a 580 or so series, some of those nights I can say I threw the ball well on a number of shots,....I have to stay positive, once my head gets out of it, I'm done
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Post by: Rock77 on December 18, 2003, 11:36:21 AM
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Post by: bennett on December 18, 2003, 11:50:07 AM
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we have one guy in the league averages 220 or so, he never and I mean never repeats a shot, watched him shoot 800 on us last year and everything carried, pathetic,...
Maybe you should analyze why he is carrying shots. He averages 220 for a reason. There isn't luck in bowling. There is a reason why a hit carries just like there is a reason why you leave a 10 pin.
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Post by: Smash49 on December 18, 2003, 12:05:06 PM
Kegel’s Million is a tournament concept that was born out of the current state of competitive bowling. Most people in our industry feel that the scoring pace is out of control, but when it comes to their business or their ability to hit the pocket everyone REALLY wants one thing – HIGH SCORES!!!
Kegel has made the decision to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together and create the “World’s First Perfect Bowling Environment†to see just how high scores can really go.
I like to have high scores but I like it better when I BOWL well.
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Post by: michelle on December 18, 2003, 12:07:42 PM
Post by: Pinbuster on December 18, 2003, 12:15:00 PM
And I have felt at times like I bowled extremely well and not shot much.
I would say I generally feel about the same but for the most part I would rather throw the ball well. I always figure I can eventually find a way to carry if I’m bowling good but sooner or later throwing it bad will catch up and you’ll have that really ugly night.
Post by: WSUstroker on December 18, 2003, 12:24:50 PM
Post by: AGB1984 on December 18, 2003, 12:36:20 PM
In answer to your question though I was taught by my coach to analyze my execution rather than my score in the long run you are much better off and will eventually bowl better under most or all conditions. It is sometimes hard out there to see someone with little to no knowledge of the game shoot big even honor scores and feel they bowled well when they couldn't hit even a 3 or board area let alone hit a slice. But I guess I shouldn't complain much though I have a guy that bowls on my team that averages in the 2's and sometimes hits 5 or 6 different lines in the same game and shots 240's 250's and thinks he is a real good bowler, but I guess those are the breaks.
Anyway enough on this subject, just keep hitting your mark and hopefully it all evens out.
Post by: Soulphish on December 18, 2003, 12:37:42 PM
A couple of weeks ago I rolled a 677. Last week I earned a 655. I was way more acurate last week than I was a couple weeks ago, but I had way more room for error than I did last week.
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Post by: ClutchClay on December 18, 2003, 02:57:41 PM
1 - solid 10 pin
2 - solid 10 pin
3 - make a small adjustment, 4 pin (lost some speed)
4 - 8 pin
5 - X
6 - 7 pin (great shot that was briefly a 7-9 but a messenger took out the 9)
7 - X
8 - solid 10 pin
9 - 7 pin (missed 1 board right and came up light, mixer did not get the 7)
10 - 8 pin, spare, solid 10 pin
I threw the ball where I wanted and like I wanted except in frames 3 and 9, picked up every spare, never doubled and shot 194. But, I still felt good about the game. Sometimes that's just the way it goes.
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Post by: Belgarion on December 18, 2003, 03:04:29 PM
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They gave me 6 boards, I used every one of 'em and needed about 2 more.
Isn't this always the way for us non-pro bowlers. If I have 1, I need 3... If I have 3, I need 5...If I have 5, I need 7....and i cant remember the last time I had more than 5
Post by: michelle on December 18, 2003, 03:18:06 PM
Edited on 12/18/2003 4:40 PM
Post by: mumzie on December 18, 2003, 03:27:45 PM
From a purist viewpoint I agree. I'd rather throw the ball great than use that 4-6 boards of area the lane man might have provided for me.
HOWEVER - I don't pay the bills with just great shots. The pins have to fall too. And I don't know about you - but when I throw a stinker shot and they all fall down, I haven't given back one yet!
To replay one of my favorite quotes - "It's not how, it's how many."
Of course, the purest form of bowling pleasure is to both throw the ball great AND watch all the pins fall. Repeatedly.
Post by: The Hose on December 18, 2003, 03:42:46 PM
Other times, I've shot620 and felt like I made really good shots. I'm prouder of those times then I am shooting a monster set.
People will ask me why I'm shaking my head after a strike. I know when it was a good shot or a result of easy lanes.
Some bowlers could care less how they threw the ball as long as they score. It seems you are one of them. Which is OK by me, just wanted some feedback.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 18, 2003, 04:00:14 PM
High average for the highest average righty was 17 pins over the highest lefty.
To the next highest lefty it was another 13 pins. So a total of 30 pins between high righty and 2nd highest lefty.
Note all the lefties in the league were tournament winners in our area.
How often do you see the above.
Now the house that is nearest my house and where I like to practice is listed along with all the other houses in this medium good sized city area in the paper.
Over the last two weeks I have not seen a 700 for the house I'm practicing at.
In town there has been an 877!
Somehow I just don't seem to get it! Wrong place at the wrong time!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: janderson on December 18, 2003, 04:24:32 PM
Sometimes you throw the ball very well and don't score. Other times you throw the ball like cr4p and do score.
Both of the above situations irritate me to no end. The latter because of the former. What is sad to me is people who consistently do the latter and have no idea that is what is happening.
Case in point, I had my worst night in 20 years this past Tuesday. I did not hit the pocket on even 50% of my shots. Thanks to good spare shooting, I still ended up with 570, but I was absolutely disgusted with myself.
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Post by: The Hose on December 18, 2003, 04:25:59 PM
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Does the ABC send out little perfect form and follow through badges, along with the "I hit every board I aimed for" T-shirt now?
Some of you may not know it but I'm a lefty. I've seen some pretty big walls.
In a tournament, I'm not going to complain about how many pins I knock down or give back a double if I tripped the 6-8 out. I try to judge my league night and tournaments on a personal note rather then go around and tell people that I shot 680 when I tossed the ball bad. Even if I win a tournament because I had the best look and a large area to play, I'll say something like "Yeah, I won, but I had so much room and got away with murder, if the shot was tough and I threw the ball like that, I may not have even cashed"
I'm just trying to be honest instead of bragging about something I shouldn't have done. From time to time, I'll throw the ball good and kill em, wall or no wall, I made good shots.
The point is, some just don't want to be honest with what they are able to get away with because of the lanes.
Have you guys, Up the Irons or pishtosh bowled on tour or sport patterns?
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Post by: janderson on December 18, 2003, 04:26:24 PM
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Pish, you see the problem is that the other night when I shot 660 or whatever it was and said I bowled badly, it's true. The shot was so easy I should, had I actually bowled halfway decently, have shot 720+.
Ragnar, you are so right on about that. Isn't that frustrating?!
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Post by: janderson on December 18, 2003, 04:31:27 PM
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...i was really trying to make good shots, theres no reason to discount the score just b/c of the lane condition...
Pishtosh is right on here as well, and as mumzie mentioned, I'll never give back a strike where I threw wide and the head pin took out the entire left side for the strike. You have no choice but to take the conditions that are given to you be they easy or hard.
If I "have one board" I expect myself to make good shots and shoot 600.
If I "have three boards" I expect myself to make good shots and shoot 660.
If I "have" more than three boards, I expect myself to make good shots and shoot 700.
Does that make sense to both sides of the argument?
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Post by: agroves on December 19, 2003, 05:44:06 AM
I admit when I bowl poorly either score wise or I am spraying the ball. I can't believe the area some people have on THS. I saw a guy on my team tuesday that shot 785+ or so, have at least 10 boards of area. It was bananas. He could hit anywhere right of 15 and money in the bank. I have NEVER had that much area. I consider good area 3 boards, if I can create that I will score fairly well most of the time.
I am not throwbot and neither is any other human being. If you think 3 boards is too much you are kidding yourself, I think that is what a person needs to score high. I have never seen anyone shoot lights out on condition where you have to split boards to strike.
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Post by: Buzzhead on December 19, 2003, 06:10:28 AM
rewarded for it. It makes me feel like a lefty. I come
home and tell the wife, well I threw the ball like I
just shot 750 and shot 550. Or I tell her shot 650 with
while throwing the ball like crappolla. It never seems to
work out that I toss a high series when I am hitting my mark, and
everything is going well, EXCEPT THE single pins won't fall.
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Post by: charlest on December 19, 2003, 10:37:15 AM
From all the comments and your replies I get this picture. Tell me if I am wrong.
You're probably a solid 215 average on any condition, sport, flat, PBA, whatever, and on these house conditions (5-10 board area), you can average 225 - 235 without too much thought. Many "house" bowlers, whose true average is 175 - 180 across all conditions, are averaging 200-210 or more and think they're God's gift to bowling.
Is that about right?
Unfortunately, given today's circumstance and the bowling environment, ingneral, can you blame them? Their eyes do not see what you (and, hopefully, I) see when we're bowling.
I, for one, am sick of the same kind of thing. I hit my target much more often than most scratch bowlers, but I wind up leaving many 4 pins and 10 pins and 7 pins, while many of my head-to-head match-ups in leagues are lucky to come within 4 baords left AND 4 boards right of their target and they carry all kinds of crap. And life goes on.
One match 2 weeks ago was the epitome of this. He stands up against the ball return, throws it 2-4 mph slower than I, sends it out to anywhere between 3 board ans 12 board, carries 2 Brooklyns, 3 nose shots and beats me 259 to 224, while I missed the flush pocket maybe twice. One swallows one's pride and starts the next game. What else is there to do?
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Post by: charlest on December 20, 2003, 01:49:36 PM
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One swallows one's pride and starts the next game. What else is there to do?
Charlest, be careful. One can become too full of pride by doing this.
Rags, I may be full of it, but it sure ain't pride.
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Truth be told though I agree absolutely with what you said (even though I'm not quite in the same category as you and Hose, skillwise).
Who said I had skill? Tell me and I'll knock him down a notch. That ain't a fittin' thing to say to man or mouse and I'll deny it to my dying day. Hose has numbers to back up his skills; I don't claim any and I ain't got any.
I'm just a Bones' type flinger; I fling left and I fling right. And that's the way it is.
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Post by: CRSmith on December 21, 2003, 02:11:57 PM
Post by: Game In a BoxLC on December 21, 2003, 02:22:43 PM
I never used to do this until i was able to bowl on a sport shot and realized the difference between hitting 14 to 10 or 14 to 5 and different lines.
Now i gauge how i bowl from how i threw the ball instead of score, i've had some pretty crappy 750's and i would be the first to say so.
When i watch flingers on a ths destroy me all i can do is smile and know if they put an OB outside of 10 or a sport shot out, they wouldn't average 150, and i would still be at a 180-210 clip. I just wish MORE tournaments would put out demanding conditions, so it did reward good shotmaking.
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