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psychodad

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Forward finger pitch
« on: September 09, 2008, 02:58:00 PM »
I don't have a good feel when I release the ball and was thinking of trying more forward finger pitch to try possible keep the ball on my fingers a little longer and hopefully get a little more lift on the ball. My span fells great and everything is good until I get to my release. Has anyone made this change and if so did it do what you expected. Right now I'm at 0 on both fingers. Also I'm somewhere between a stroker and a tweener, not a lot of rotation on my ball but I usually don't have a problem finding the pocket, I just don't carry very well. I was hoping this change might help my carry. Maybe I'm way off base on my thoughts but any input is appreciated.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 12:42:49 AM »
Anyone?
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 01:03:59 AM »
powerlifts in ball, inserts with no powerlift, or naked holes?

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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 01:29:06 AM »
I think I have the vise powerlifts.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 01:33:37 AM »
In general, you don't want more forward than 0 and to be able to use that much forward is pretty rare already.  Having too much forward typically results in delaying the ball's contact with the lane more than necessary.  If you aren't already, you may benefit from using semi or power lifts.  I have a feeling your carry is only suffering because of bad angle and/or you suffer from a weak wrist to impart enough torque.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 02:13:36 AM »
Finger pitch is dependent on the flexibility of your finger tips....

I go forward with my fingers due to their flexibility.  For most people I actually am at 0 or some away as their fingers are no where as flexible as mine.  If you using Power Lifts...remember they should start at 1/4 away due to the lift itself. Also remember that if you do change finger pitch that you need to also change span to offset that.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 02:59:01 AM »
To elaborate, for every 3/8 of forward Bill Taylor in his drilling book recommended a 1/16 shortening of the span.  The opposite for reverse.

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PS many people today use a 0 forward reverse finger pitch and a powerlift for a net effect of 1/4 forward.  0 pitch in naked holes....many do not go forward of this.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 04:36:37 AM »
Lucky,

I think I have about 2% of my customers have forward pitch (to include myself), while most are 0 or just a little reverse.  One thing I have noticed is that many people drill the holes for Power Lifts at 0...effectively making the finger pitches 1/4 forward...seems they forget to go the 1/4 away to get a 0 pitch with the Power Lifts.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 10:39:15 AM »
I'm on the opposite end here.  I rarely drill anyone at 0 pitch.  Fingers normally do not bend at a 90 degree angle. I see a lot of balls drilled at 0 pitch fingers and 3/8's right and left lateral.  Thumbs are 3/8 reverse and 1/8 right lateral.  Right handed bowler. This usually tells me that the person drilling the ball didn't even look at the persons hand.  Many times both fingers are different in flexibility and length.  Bowlers sometimes may have had jammed or broken fingers.  The driller needs to drill for these problems.  Arthritis is another issue.  In the thumbs pitch is based on flexibility, span and/or being double jointed.  I will add some reverse so that double jointed bowlers are able to clear the thumb easier.  Lateral in the thumb is based on flexibility side to side in the thumb.  I almost never pitch anyone right lateral in the thumb.  I have never found a need to pitch right lateral.  0 is usually fine.

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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 11:01:35 AM »




Thanks for the feedback guys, The weak wrist is a good possibility I am not a spring chicken any more. My book average was 205 last year and I feel I could average more if I didn't have to shoot at all those weak 10 pins I leave. Maybe I should quit watching these young guys that turn the heck out of the ball and carry everything around the pocket, Of course most of them they can't make a spare but I would love to hit the pocket light and have the pins fly like they do. The reason I ask to start with is listed below this comes from BR.com's unofficial FAQ Section what it said about forward pitch sounded good Other than the broken blood vessels.
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Finger Pitches:
+ Reverse = Less lift, earlier finger exit, reduces rotation, possible soreness to the pad side.
+ Forward = More lift, later finger exit, increased rotation, possible soreness to nail side, or broken blood vessels under the nail.
+ Left = Axis tilt enhancer if all pitches are biased left from your normal pitches, possible soreness to right side of finger tip.
+ Right = Possible soreness to left side of finger tip.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 11:06:08 AM »
so i guess 5/16 rt is a little extreme..thats what i use....
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 11:24:50 AM »
I will tell you things are always situational.  The ball driller I had years ago put me into 1 1/2 reverse in the thumb 0 lateral when I had an injury.  There is no way you can bend the thumb with that much reverse and have a 4 inch span.  Many people would think that you would drop the ball but it was just the opposite.  I actually hung more often than not.  Should everyone have this done?  No way but if you insist on bowling with a bad thumb injury (not recommended) it worked.  Won the Dallas City Tournament with it.  Thank goodness I'm not so hard headed today....  I think

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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 01:42:46 PM »
For myself, I drill my finger with 3/16th away pitch (forward) so that I do not have to work so hard to feel the ball on my fingers. for our customers, we drill 0 and 3/8th left and right lateral for grips.  We sell the Vise dual grips (one end lifter, one end oval) and we have had no complaints.  I like the away pitch in my fingers because makes it so I don't have to grab with my fingers to generate revs.

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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 02:01:51 PM »
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For myself, I drill my finger with 3/16th away pitch (forward) so that I do not have to work so hard to feel the ball on my fingers. for our customers, we drill 0 and 3/8th left and right lateral for grips. We sell the Vise dual grips (one end lifter, one end oval) and we have had no complaints. I like the away pitch in my fingers because makes it so I don't have to grab with my fingers to generate revs.

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Maybe I'm confused on finger pitch. I thought forward pitch would have the fingers angled more towards the thumb and reverse would be away from the thumb. If I am wrong maybe that's part of my problem.
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Re: Forward finger pitch
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 02:19:36 PM »
Smash49.

Sounds for thumb pitch as you are more the Bunetta method.
Then the Bill Taylor method.

As to the Bill Taylor opinion on fingertip pitches.  He explains in his book that very few have 90 degrees of bend in their last joint.  But the pitch is taken up by the combination of both the end joint and middle joints flexibility adding up to 90 degrees if one uses his recommended relaxed span.

If one goes fuller in span than his recommended....the middle joint cannot take up as much of the angle.  Make sense?  This is why 0 on a stretched span for many gives so much hit from the fingers.

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