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leftybowler70

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Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« on: December 29, 2011, 07:01:09 AM »
I've been dying to know what you guys think of this topic. I know balls are more dynamic these days and they make it easier to use to cover a lot of boards and score and more, but it is a lot of very talented bowlers  Out here who have a lot of talent that work on all parts of their game and can use 20 year old equipment.        

Me personally new stuff helps,but I also use old balls urethane, etc and can hook the whole lane.
 
What do you guys think its more of?


 

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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 12:43:11 PM »
Regardless of who is throwing and what ball, the laneman will always determine the pace of the scoring. With the right pattern you can shut it down.

 

I really don't think todays bowling balls will make someone a good bowler. Most people just buy the new biggest hooking ball so they can get more movement, even though they could probably score better with something more tame if they played the correct part of the lane. Other than the obvious things like repeating shots, consistency, mechanics, etc. I think the real "talent" is matching the correct ball to the conditions and using it accordingly.



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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 12:59:11 PM »
a guy on my team throws and old manhattan rubber. he averages 228. it doesnt matter how he bowls. left handed, right handed, loft the ball, flatten the ball, hook the ball, throw straight down and in, back up ball either hand. the man is great by far better me and i average 6 less than him. when he is on, he is unstoppable. so i will go to say. it is the bowler not the ball


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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 06:17:36 AM »
In the end, it is always the bowler. Modern equipment might help in certain aspects, but you still need a brain and some excutional talent to use it effectively, and keep scoring. IMO, a really good player will defeat you even with a 25 year old urethane orb. Do you really think that the big hook counts, or constitutes a "good" bowler? How pathetic... :( 

 

Modern balls might have a better pin mix and recovery, but they do not help concerning reading lanes, making adjustments, and keep scoring through lane transition.



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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 09:57:24 AM »
 Talent is 100% in the bowler. The ball is an inanimate object - it can't do anything on its own, therefore it cannot possibly have any talent.  :D


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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 12:18:50 PM »
Reactive resin balls have opened up the "window of opportunity" for striking. Once upon a time, a bowler had to operate within a small set of parameters with great frequency to maximize his opportunity for striking. Approach, speed, direction, trajectory, etc..... had to be repeatable to within very small limits.

 

 Now, because of reactive resin, there are more releases that fall into the "acceptable" region. An example would be a friend of mine that I have known for over 20 years. he was ALWAYS very accurate, but not very powerful at the release. He could hit his mark with uncanny accuracy, but his ball was "weak" at the pins, and often had too much deflection, leaving odd spare and lots of corner pins.

 

 Fast forward to today. He is STILL very accurate, and still looks exactly the same when he releases the ball, but the difference is the ball no longer deflects. The gyroscopic weightblocks, and the higher friction covers, have made quite a difference for him. Back then, he used to average around 190. Now, he averages around 235, has many 300's, and a couple of 800's. He will also be the first to tell you he hasn't changed ANYTHING in his game.

 

 Oddly enough, while resin has helped him, it has hurt me. I had a very strong release and, like the "power" guys of that day, pretty much ran over my competition. With the advent of the reactive resin ball, I found myself in the situation of having TOO MUCH release, and couldn't even use the stuff at first. I was hooking a black U-dot 25 boards, but couldn't keep an Xcalibur on the lane. It would literally hook completely off the lane at about 50 ft, and that was with me lofting the gutters. While it helped him with his game, it made me completely have to re-learn mine.

 

 SO, is it the ball, or is it the bowler?  It is neither, and it is BOTH. The ball changed the way the game is played, and in doing so, tilted the table towards a different set of bowlers who better fit the profile of what the resin ball prefferred.

It's the same thing that happened when bowling went from wooden balls to rubber balls, from rubber balls to polyester balls, from polyester balls to urethane balls, to now.

 

 IF there is ever another great technological breakthrough in bowling technology (like oilless lanes), that will change the way the game is played, and would also change who is favored and considered to be the "good" bowlers.

 

 I used to be considered the "best" bowler in our house, but now he (my friend) is, and all that changed was the equipment. It didn't change EITHER one of our skill sets, we're still just as good at what we do as we were then (once I got my release "adjusted"), but it DID change who could score doing what they do best.
 
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Re: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2012, 04:33:38 AM »
 



Juggernaut wrote on 10.01.2012 1:18 PM:
Oddly enough, while resin has helped him, it has hurt me.
Similar here, at least concerning the potential of modern resin balls. Honestly, I hardly see enough or long oil that actually makes a strong resin ball playable for me - with a high track, lower speed and medium revs. I am amazed how well I get along with "lower level" stuff - for me the true challenge lies in ball, line and release choice, rather taming a ball down or keeping it effective while the lane changes (and most of the time dries up...).

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