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Mighty Fish

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Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« on: June 21, 2011, 06:34:27 AM »
Easily achieved high scores obviously aren't helping participation as people keep leaving the game.

 




 

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2011, 04:47:24 AM »
no right answer but people are just more busy then ever and with bowling taking 30 weeks or longer

lot of bowlers don't have time and don't care to get better just bowl and go home plus in winter

older bowler don't want to get out,   I  don't want to sometimes I am a league secy and assoc manager.

I bowl at a 16 lane small town alley 2 years ago had no 300's last season had 5 was a big year for us

so the high scores don't bother us I shot one of the 300's the center gives $100 to a bowler shooting

a 300  a perk so with 16 lanes and 80 bowlers I said roll on me cost me $125 so I put out $25

I had more bowlers thank me for the drink then said nice game  center got there money back

and I help promote the league with so goodwill .

anyway we have a lot of older bowlers been in league for good while not enough young ones

interested in bowling with video games ect and I remember when wasn't nothing on TV go bowling

to get out of house now its other way stay home and play.

some of my thoughts

 PS But I never seen a bowler quit, oh I shot 300 or my average to high I will quit.   get me drift

I bowl mostly scratch tournaments so handicap don't bother me, everybody should have a lucky day

even if a bowler getting handicap gets hot and wins a little money so what    if he does it to much

he get rerated or bowl bad sooner later  but if sandbag a nother story.

RB

Mighty Fish

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2011, 08:15:07 AM »
Some of you keep insisting that you've never heard of anyone who quit because of easy lane conditions. Well, have any of you heard of Nelson Burton Jr.?

I recently -- in response to the article of mine that started the thread -- got an e-mail from John Thompson. John is the brother of Ted Thompson, currently at Kegel and formerly PBA Tour Services Director. Please read when John said about Nelson Burton Jr. and WHY HE QUIT.

 

[begin John's e-mail] Bill, good article. Ted's in town, he could give you some good insight on this from inside the industry and let you know how ball manufacturers control everything. You wouldn't believe how screwed up it is. Bowled next to Nelson Burton Jr. at state about 6 years ago. I asked him why he quit. He said in '92 he shot 1970 +/- to finish very high in the standings and in the history of the tournament there were only 16 300's shot. In '93 he got there before masters week and there was 33 300's shot before he bowled. The year of reactive resin. [end John's e-mail]



Sunshine n Lollipops

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2011, 07:54:06 PM »
Burton Jr. quit because he saw the writing on the wall:  There was no way he was going to be able to learn the reactive resin release and not loft the ball down the lane.  Do you really think at his age he was going to totally re-invent his game?  Ask him to explain the modern release today and I bet you he won't come close to hving it right.  You keep on bringing up these old pros like Burton Jr. and dick Weber to support your views and they do the exact opposite.  Give it a rest already.



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Mighty Fish

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2011, 02:54:28 PM »
Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

 

Here is a past bowling column that tells about a teammate -- a young bowler with lots of talent -- who quit the game because it was too easy.

 

Date: Thursday, July 9, 1998
Edition: All
Section: SPORTS
Page: 5C
Type: COLUMN
Column: Bowling
Source: BILL HERALD

 

[headline] AN OPEN LETTER TO K.C.

Following is an open letter to past teammate K.C. Wagner:

Dear K.C.:

In a way, it's sad that you again plan to walk away from the game, saying that you don't want to bowl at all in the upcoming season.


Though you came out of a self-imposed two-year "retirement'' last season, and though you captured high-average honors at 202-plus (in the Kaat Inc. Men's League at AMF Sarasota), you remain dissatisfied with the game as it currently exists.

You have always responded to challenges, and bowling provided a challenge. Or, at least, it used to provide a challenge.

Years ago, you worked hard to place yourself among the best, and you came close to achieving that goal. But now, you're walking away from bowling for the second time in the '90s.

In 1985-86, you attained a 200-plus average at Sarasota Lanes, joining Dave Musselman as the only bowlers to do so in the first 21 years the house was open.

In the early stages of your career, you carried a 122 average in junior competition, and you improved to 156 in your first attempt in men's league play at the age of 15.

Typically, some called you a sandbagger when you were young and struggling to improve . . . and then, a few
years later, after you achieved a 190-plus average, some of the same people said that you were too good for the competitive balance of handicap leagues.

With some people, you just can't win, but you were always a winner. Keep in mind that people who issue such labels are usually losers themselves.

The game can only be at a loss, because you aren't the only one disgusted with the avenue that bowling is taking.

Some people with only a fraction of your ability now match or easily surpass your scores. And partly for that reason, you've again lost interest in the game.

Others are now as accurate as you, though it's because they're getting an awful lot of help from
lane-dressing patterns.

I fully understand your attitude. You feel, as I do, that the game has been cheapened, and that high scores don't mean much anymore.

When former teammate John Snyder rolled a perfect game at Sarasota Lanes in 1980, it was the first in 18 full
years at that center.

Not too long ago, a woman rolled a 300 at Sarasota Lanes on a Thursday night, and the following evening, men rolled 300s on both first and second shifts. And a few weeks later, perfect games were rolled on three consecutive nights.

Are we the only ones who feel the way we do about the game? Of course not.

You were an instinctive player who made subtle adjustments at the release point to ensure a better shot.

There was a time when -- as a left-hander -- if you felt you were going to miss to the left, you could add a little extra lift to bring the ball to the pocket; likewise, you could take something off the ball to avoid a nosedive or crossover if you thought your armswing was going to bring the ball too far to the right.

No proprietor ever had to tell you, "K.C., you're not good enough to hit the pocket, so I'm going to set up the lanes to help you hit it.''

You have a God-given talent for the game, but you're not alone. It's tragic that so many other fine players of your generation sat out full seasons during the '90s . . . players who showed great potential as youngsters in the '60s and '70s, such as Ed Reid, Tom Deacy, Ron Elliott, Kevin Hoeppner, John Thompson, Tom Shinkle, Ricky Ramon, Terry Chancey, Steve McDaniel, Steve Moran, and many more. And some, such as Mike Healy, virtually gave up the game in their teen years, never to return.

The game can't afford to lose enthusiastic participants as you all once were. Hurry back.





Sunshine n Lollipops

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2011, 09:10:54 PM »
Here's what it boils down to, Fishwrap.  Some of us are secure in our own abilities that we know when we carry a lucky shot and when we carry a great shot.  We also are aware when somebody who throws the ball different and may not be as aware of the finer nuances of the game or aware of what some palooka in 1947 did on the lanes throws a ball/game/series that might be better than you might suspect they would be able to bowl.  So freaking what?  How does that affect my place in the game?  How does that affect my approach to the game?  How I practice?  How I matchup to a certain piece of equipment or lane condition?  IT DOESN'T!!!  Why can't you get it through your dense, take everything so damn literally head?  I could care less that somebody 13 years ago decided to move on from the sport.  If he was so mentally weak that he let what others did on the lanes cause him to quit, I have no use for him.  No doubt he was averaging 289 in all his leagues.  I mean, the game's so easy the only reason he didn't average 300 is nobody can carry anything.  You think you're proving something by trotting out some guy's story quitting.  I could care less about somebody quitting.  People quit participating in various sports all the time.  Their whining about it serves no purpose but to show they couldn't hack it anymore and just flat gave up.  Loser talk.

 

I notice you didn't have anything to say about why I thought Burton Jr. quit.  Because you know I'm right.  Get off it already.  It's totally obvious to me that the only reason you post anything on here is so you can reference and link one of your columns in an effort to stay in print somewhere, anywhere.   



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Edited by Sunshine n Lollipops on 7/17/2011 at 9:16 PM

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #81 on: July 17, 2011, 10:00:30 PM »
Seems to me we have the ideal situation right now as far as lane conditions go.  We have competitive patterns for competitive bowlers, and most tournaments of any repute are conducted on such conditions.  We have houses putting out wall shots that allows recreational league bowlers to carry high averages and have fun.  Are there a few bowlers out there who dont understand the difference, and think that there high league averages are meaningful.  Of course, but who cares. 



Sunshine n Lollipops

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2011, 04:57:19 AM »

 +1   The only ones who care are the conspiracy freaks and the whiners. 



avabob wrote on 7/17/2011 10:00 PM:
Seems to me we have the ideal situation right now as far as lane conditions go.  We have competitive patterns for competitive bowlers, and most tournaments of any repute are conducted on such conditions.  We have houses putting out wall shots that allows recreational league bowlers to carry high averages and have fun.  Are there a few bowlers out there who dont understand the difference, and think that there high league averages are meaningful.  Of course, but who cares. 





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Mighty Fish

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2011, 01:45:26 PM »
Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

 

In your signature line, you indicate that you believe in love. I'm so glad that you love my writing and my posting style. Your comments are much appreciated.



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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2011, 03:16:09 PM »
Typical Fishwrap.  I predict it won't be long until you're banned from this site just like what happened at Bowl.com. 



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Mighty Fish

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Re: Easily achieved high scores aren't good for the game
« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2011, 03:19:14 PM »
Dear Sunshine n Lollipops:

 

Because NOTHING "happened" at bowl.com, if you're correct, NOTHING will happen here, either.

 

Besides, I don't utilize name-calling and insults toward other posters, as you seem more than willing to do.

 

I have NEVER been barred from any bowling discussion forum. Have you?