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Elimeno Pee

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Fairest Handicap?
« on: January 10, 2014, 06:13:04 AM »
What's the best handicap for a tournament to entice scratch and handicaps to play?

--Separate question--
How about if there is a harder oil pattern?

80%, 90%?
200, 210, 220, 230, 240?
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 06:19:41 AM »
Depends who you ask.  Scratch want lower bases and percentages, lower average bowlers want higher bases and percentages. 

If you want to be fair your base needs to be higher than anyone's average that is participating. 
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 08:01:10 AM »
Or would a tiered scratch system be better.  210+ use 200 as a base, 195-209 use 190 as a base, and 189 and under use 180 as a base.

To count score you would then use a +/- compared to your base. 

A 220 shoots 230, that's +30
A 205 shoots 220. That's +30
A 179 shoots 210, that's +30.

And couple that with a tougher oil pattern
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 08:48:09 AM »
That would be the most confusing system I've ever seen used.  I've bowled a lot of tournaments in my time and have never seen anything like that used.  If you are going to do divisions I would divide it equally among entries, or as close as possible if there are big average gaps. 

If I was going to run a handicap sweeper I would pay one scratch position and have the handicap payouts for the rest, with scratch taking precedence.  Say you have 20 entries, 1 scratch and 3 handicap places paid.  My handicap would be 90 % of 240 or 250.
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 08:52:00 AM »
If you are going to do that, just make it a Pins over average tournament.
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »
Once I read that the fairest HDCP  mathematically should be the 100% of 300. but everyone is scared of high HDCP games and series, imagine a 200 guy bowling a 300, he would have a 400 with. HDCP.
But if you do the math is the only way that nobody lose a single pin due to HDCP formulas
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 02:15:35 PM »
Quote from: ginro on January 10, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
Once I read that the fairest HDCP  mathematically should be the 100% of 300. but everyone is scared of high HDCP games and series, imagine a 200 guy bowling a 300, he would have a 400 with. HDCP.
But if you do the math is the only way that nobody lose a single pin due to HDCP formulas

That would just be pins over average. Certain average ranges have a better chance to bowl more pins above average (this topic has been beaten to death). 
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 03:21:37 PM »
Tougher shots and handicap don't mix well.  The lane conditions have lesser impact on the lower average bowlers.  A 130 bowler is going to be able to bowl close to their average no matter what conditions are out there.

The 220 average that was established on the THS though is going to have trouble maintaining that average.  Advantage is all in the lower averages favor.
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 05:25:43 PM »
I'll probably use 85% of 240.  Nearly everyone on the same scale, and try to find sponsorship to feed the prize funds of the tournament series I want to create.  I wanna get out of town bowlers without alienating the locals.
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Re: Fairest Handicap?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2014, 01:27:46 PM »
ginro, wouldn't 100% of 300 encourage even more sandbagging than already exists? There is enough handicap with 80% or 90% handicaps, but tournaments that pay a fair amount of money would be a real target for sandbaggers if handicap was 100%.
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