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strikeking

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Brunswick Mark X
« on: September 26, 2014, 10:13:58 AM »
Can anyone tell me the RG and Diff of the old Brunswick Mark X?
What ball available today would match up with it the best for reaction?
Anyone have one for sale?

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2014, 08:16:17 AM »
If you are aanting a polyester for a strike ball, do a strongayour such as placing the core at 3 3/8" and a weight hole at 6 3/4" to create flare then sand it. If there's friction on the lane it will 'hook'
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2014, 08:23:51 AM »
Okay here we go, I found the original patent for it.

Inventor:   Carmen M. Salvino
https://www.google.com/patents/US4320899?dq=inassignee:%22Salvino+Carmen+M%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=17YmVKGcI82syAS88YKgAw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw

Yes the ball doesn't have a pancake, all it has is a small block for the fingers and small block for the thumb.


FIG. 2 is a schematic representation (partly in section) of the preferred embodiment of the bowling ball of this invention and showing the position and location of the weight blocks;


side note:
Excerpt about Wobble from the patent:

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A bowling ball that is not dynamically balanced will, among other things, wobble as it is rolled down a lane. Evidence of wobble behavior can be seen in the flared nature of the resulting ball track on the exterior surface of the ball. Wobble behavior can also be observed by a trained individual standing at the foul line or on carefully obtained high speed films.

A wobble condition due to dynamic imbalance in the ball produces numerous variables which affect the ability of the bowler to consistently use the ball to obtain high scores. Bowling with a consistently high degree of scoring requires accurate placement of the ball in the strike zone. When a spare is desired, a high degree of accuracy is required in order to knock over a pin or, in some cases, achieve a desired degree of pin action in order to knock over a number of standing pins. Dynamic imbalance in the ball impedes the ability of the bowler to control his game

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2014, 09:41:43 AM »
Back to Strikeking's original question if there was any differential or RG numbers for the original Mark X? The only numbers back then were of any note -- and were discussed -- was the ball's hardness. The Mark X was probably a 78 in hardness, which was pretty soft for the time.

If memory serves me correct, a bowling ball's RG and differential wasn't a statistical (or better yet, marketing) tool until the early 1990s when reactive resins were introduced.
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2014, 01:22:34 PM »
I was still learning quite a bit about the game back then as an enthused 18 year old, but I always had heard the Orange Dot was Columbia's only foray into the rubber ball market. They were trying to get the LT-48 throwers that also like the bleeder yellow dots to buy Orange Dots.

I remember owning a Wine U-Dot which is what I always thought was the first urethane by Columbia.

I seem to remember seeing an article about Dave Husted's early years stating that he felt behind because Columbia was one of the last major ball companies to get a urethane ball out. Of course they cornered the market with the Black U-Dot back then a few years later........

This also reminds me of the Columbia Orange Dot, its first foray with urethane:

Besides, the LT-48 was such a game changer, who needed a Mark X?
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2014, 01:37:21 PM »
Bigmike, I stand corrected if the Orange Dot was a soft rubber ball. All I know is that those of use who used the Orange Dot got rid of it real fast.

Interestingly, I bought a Black U-Dot with a dull cover in late 1990 just before I moved from South Florida to Richmond, Va. I remember having it drilled stacked positive layout, but I didn't use it for a few years. When I did use it, the ball didn't do anything for me -- it was as if it was merely a spare ball -- and I went on to buy a Blue Hammer and Burgundy Hammer, which I still own and use. I suppose the Black U-Dot was great on wood lanes and during the short-lived short oil era. 

I also had during that short-oil era a Wine U-Dot, which I liked, but pin carry was an issue once moving inside the 10-board; that was solved when I copped a Brunswick Whine Rhino from a prominent touring pro. If you recall the Pearl Gold Dot, that was my go-to ball, not so much for scoring but for accuracy and consistency. It's also my only artifact from the 1980s.
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Bigmike

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2014, 10:19:00 PM »
I remember the Gold Dots. The shop that I started to frequent in the late 80's really pushed those and the pricing was on the cheap for that era.

Bowling ball history from the 70's - early 90's is kind of fascinating as each company had their "answer" to another companies success story. Plus some of the regional success stories... I live in central Ohio so we were close to where the original Star Trak's (Track's original plant in Solon near Akron) were put out. Lots of Force Ten's on racks around here in the early 80's.

Getting back to the original topic, I had always heard that the Mark X was to be Brunswick's answer to the bleeder. Or at least they tried to have it be. I also heard they used crushed walnuts in the core material and supposedly continued that with the Edge. The Edge was the first urethane I ever threw and when the lanes had a little more oil in the front or middle, it was huge compared to my bleeder. I also had a teammate who would not bag his Mark X until it finally just literally broke in two on him at home in the closet. I just remember running my hand across the cover and feeling the grooves or "ripples". I had never seen anything to that point in my young bowling lifetime.
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2014, 10:44:24 PM »
Bigmike, the only kind of bowler I recalled having any success with the Edge (an orange urethane ball for the young 'uns) was those that had no hand and no game. Anyone who had hand and/or game stayed away from that Edge like it was poison. You needed a lake just so the ball could clear the heads. Even so, it had nothing left for the backends. Ah, but Brunswick eventually got it right with the Rhino series for the remainder of the short-oil era.
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Bigmike

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2014, 11:32:35 AM »
I hear you. :) I got mine right when the center that I frequented must have put out the contract shot because they got slicker and slicker each week and the Edge looked better and better. Than summer came and the Edge became a reddish turd. I put my hands in a friends black Hammer that fit pretty well, threw it, and the Edge was for sale within minutes.

And that my friends...is the rest...of the story. LOL
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2014, 11:50:08 AM »
I believe the Orange Dot was a composite polyester, rubber compound.  They were doing a lot of experimentation in those days, because the only shell that really worked well on the urethane lane finishes was super soft polyester, which had been outlawed.

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2014, 10:57:49 AM »
Loved that Mark X.  The difference in hit was noticeable from contemporaries.  However, After I fractured the third one, they wouldn't give me another...got an Orange Dot (poop!)

I have an undrilled Mark X...has ripples in the cover you can feel.  Also have an undrilled Orange Dot...I don't know why.

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2014, 10:53:14 AM »
The ball was a HUGE hit when it first came out...

But after about 3-6 months...the covers on the ball started to ripple...

Brunswick stood by their product and replaced everyone that was defective...That
my shop sent back...

I believe we sold about 205 of them...Please remember...In those days there wasn't
that many balls out...

Don't remember how many became defective...I think it was about 60...

That's a long time ago...

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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2014, 12:44:26 PM »
It's funny when I was still with Brunswick, abt 7 yrs or so ago, we had a rack with abt 12 on it and the covers ranged from perfect to abt as bad an olde mtn/gravel road...
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Re: Brunswick Mark X
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2014, 04:30:33 PM »
So you're saying it was the first particle ball...

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