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xrayjay

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is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« on: January 27, 2017, 07:16:35 PM »
I've been taught the classic style decades ago, and back in 2000(?) I learned some of Dick Ritger methods. And I'm wondering if that method is out dated, or is it still okay?

The distance between the inside of my ankle (slide foot) and the ball is 7 boards. And closer to my ankles when I play inside angles.

I know the modern teaching of this part of the release point is to get the ball below the chin and the ball closer to the ankle to get leverage. I think it was USBC video when the coach said, "paper thin". The "arm pit" angle is smaller since the arm is tilted inward towards the body.

I watched a good senior bowler last night and he was closer to his ankle/leg than I am and I wondered if I should work on getting close or just leave it.

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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2017, 08:08:27 PM »
I've always wondered how many boards difference I release from ankle to lay down. I guess I just haven't taken the time to figure it out. 7 seems close.
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2017, 09:26:23 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay link=topic=313125.msg2570511#msg2570511
I know the modern teaching of this part of the release point is to get the ball below the chin and the ball closer to the ankle to get leverage. I think it was USBC video when the coach said, "paper thin". The "arm pit" angle is smaller since the arm is tilted inward towards the body.

Here's a screencap from a USBC video on the proper positions.

The chins over the ball, set down point is about 6-7 boards from the slide foot.

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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2017, 10:11:04 PM »
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My cheap illustration: the diagram on the right is pretty much what the video stated in the USBC BOWLING ACADEMY premium video. The ball looked like it touched the bowlers pant league. The Senior bowler also did the same thing, but he's a totally different player. 22 yr old vs 59 yr old.

I've seen ankles getting hit by bowlers, one being my brother who had a Jason Couch back swing. his ball went right into the right channel that day during practice. Peeled off some flesh.

I'll work on my swing/hand/release position. Looks like when I turn early my arm gets away from me and the flat spot shortens.
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 04:09:02 PM »
Ball's diameter is 8 1/2", so the radius of the ball is 4 1/4".  If you mark your position on the approach with the edge of your foot, 6" puts the ball 1 3/4" from your ankle.  If you mark with the center of your foot you'll probably need 8 - 9" to avoid hitting the ankle.  --  JohnP
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 04:29:26 PM »
Watch Steve 300 rpm guy @ 0:24 secs.  How many boards from the center of the ball to the inside edge of his foot? At 0:07 secs it looks like his lay down point is 5 boards.

https://youtu.be/7s25PAv4eLk
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 04:53:57 PM »
I have done video of my self, with the ball brushing my shoe lace and counted 5 boards.That's about as tight as you'll get
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2017, 08:30:52 AM »
The closer to your ankle, the more leverage you have.  Let me put it this way.  If you hit your ankle, you are too close.  Otherwise, closer is better.
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2017, 03:15:57 PM »
Hhhhhhmmmmmm..........just think shoe lace.........Hhhhhhmmmmmmm
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Re: is 6 to 7 boards too far today?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 09:18:42 AM »
I would assume the goal is more ball position under the head than how close you are to your ankle.  In the past, the closeness to your ankle was an indicator of proper release, but that was also when the shoulders were parallel to the approach and without any drop on the ball side. 

I feel as long as you are under your chin/head, have good knee continuation and proper balance upon release, the distance will be whatever it is.  If you achieve these things and you are 7-inches, so be it.  I don't see a need to try and get it to 6-inches to become better.  I feel your time can be better spent when you practice.
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