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pears

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Give up??
« on: February 07, 2017, 09:59:27 PM »
How/when do you decide that a ball just isnt for you?

Im considering selling or putting aside my snap lock. I have tried a cover stock change already (4k grit) because I didnt like how long it was. Now it is doing what it is supposed to do, but for the most part I just dont feel its me. Now, my Code black on the other hand is a whole nother beast. Everything about that ball feels right. For the record though, they are each drilled with a different layout. Is it worth maybe drilling a different layout on the snap lock or do I just get rid of it. When is enough, enough.
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 10:32:39 PM »
I give up on a ball once I personally feel like it's just not for my game and where I typically bowl. I feel like there are too many balls on the market to get too hung up one. So far, the Haywire is the only ball I've had that happen with in the last year. I tried surface changes/houses/patterns and never felt like I would get much utility out of it so I sold it.
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 10:36:41 PM »
For me it depends on if I feel like the ball is overlapping another.

If I see the potential of the ball fitting where I want it, I'll plug and redrill.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 04:35:10 AM »
It depends on how I feel about the ball and what it's doing that I don't like.

There's always 2 adjustments you can make to a ball: surface and drilling. Surfaces are easy to change; drilling is slightly more work, time and money. I always change the surface when a new ball isn't working, up or down, dull or polished. If that doesn't work, it is entirely possible that the ball was drilled not quite right for you, your release or the oil you're using it on.

If it's an expensive ball like the Snap Lock, I'd have it plugged and redrilled. If the pin is off by as little as 3/4 - 1" and especially if the MB is off by the any amount, those are 2 potentially huge differences in ball reaction.
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2017, 07:31:41 AM »
I think it is when there is no more room in our bag and you set it aside.  When you don't pick it up for a while and don't miss it, then it is probably time.  I recently went to go to a Storm/Roto demo day.  I tried 4 balls from different angles, 5-10-15-20 boards, to see which ones worked for me.  I already have a Code black, but it is a different drill from mine.  Code black with a different drill was smoother off the break point.  Dare Devil and Wreck-em both started up too soon.  Couldn't get them down the lane to where I needed them.  Had the same issue with the Wrecker when I owned one.  Street Fight got down the lane without any problem and had enough energy to carry from the outside.  No Rules Pearl was the only ball that got down the lane for me and was still recover from all four angles that I tried.  The balls that started up early would only work for me from 3rd and 4th arrow.  Street fight couldn't recover from 3rd or 4th arrow.  If I do buy a new ball for shorter or lighter oil, it will be the Street fight.  For an all around ball, it will be the No Rules.  Sorry this turned out to be my review of the balls.  What I am saying is, a ball you are giving up on now may be a great ball in a different house or tournament.  De-oil and resurface the balls you are not using, put it on the shelf and take it with you if you have to bowl in a tournament at a different house.  Many bowlers have pulled an old ball out the the closet and bowled great with them.  Could be you are trying to do something with them that they are not designed to do.
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 08:25:27 AM »
I will add that when I bought the snap lock, it was ordered and drilled just through talks of what I wanted in a ball. Pso never saw me throw a ball, just went off what he was told to do. I was bowling well with it but it needed a couple tweeks for comfort. I had to go with oval finger tips instead of the power lift, had a thumb solid installed to control my sticking thumb, and had a surface change. Three key item in my mind. I have thought about a re-drill to match my code black but what if I still dont like the ball, now I've stuck more money into it...ugh.

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Re: Give up??
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 08:51:26 AM »
I will add that when I bought the snap lock, it was ordered and drilled just through talks of what I wanted in a ball. Pso never saw me throw a ball, just went off what he was told to do. I was bowling well with it but it needed a couple tweeks for comfort. I had to go with oval finger tips instead of the power lift, had a thumb solid installed to control my sticking thumb, and had a surface change. Three key item in my mind. I have thought about a re-drill to match my code black but what if I still dont like the ball, now I've stuck more money into it...ugh.

Its just a ball right....

I don't redrill a ball because of that. I don't sink more into a plug and drill and also dropped the resale value more being a second drill.

I do redrill a ball that I bought as a single drill and it doesn't fit my hand or a layout I would use but that's beside the point. I'm relating to redrilling a ball I bought new. I try what my PSO thinks should be the best fit drilling. If that seems off, I play with surface. If I still can't dial it in within the 3 very different houses I bowl in, I sell it as a SD- low game ball to recoup some money.
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2017, 09:01:40 AM »
I don't redrill a ball because of that. I sink more into a plug and drill and also dropped the resale value more being a second drill.

I do redrill a ball that I bought as a single drill and it doesn't fit my hand or a layout I would use but that's beside the point. I'm relating to redrilling a ball I bought new. I try what my PSO thinks should be the best fit drilling. If that seems off, I play with surface. If I still can't dial it in within the 3 very different houses I bowl in, I sell it as a SD- low game ball to recoup some money.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2017, 12:43:16 PM »
I have a ball currently I can't seem to do well with. The LT-48 has the same layout I use in all my THS balls. 4 x 4 x 2.

It's sitting in the storage cause I can't seem to get this ball going even after surface changes. I'll be bowling at another house next season, so I'll wait and see then. If that doesn't work, I'll do the PnR since it doesn't cost me much to do. but at the same time, I still got to figure out a layout....
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Re: Give up??
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2017, 12:47:27 PM »
This is why I only have 2 or 3 layouts I use. I know what the pin up, pin down and pin down with hole will do. 5 inch pins all around, usually either a 65 degree or 35ish degree. I don't do extra holes on pin ups anymore. I look at core shape, numbers, and coverstock. From there, I have a basic idea of what I want the ball to do and where it will fit. Then I go throw it. I can usually tell within a couple of games if the surface is right for me. If it doesn't work for me, I will either sell it or give it to someone else. I rarely put another layout on a ball.

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2017, 01:15:40 PM »
This is why I only have 2 or 3 layouts I use. I know what the pin up, pin down and pin down with hole will do. 5 inch pins all around, usually either a 65 degree or 35ish degree. I don't do extra holes on pin ups anymore. I look at core shape, numbers, and coverstock. From there, I have a basic idea of what I want the ball to do and where it will fit. Then I go throw it. I can usually tell within a couple of games if the surface is right for me. If it doesn't work for me, I will either sell it or give it to someone else. I rarely put another layout on a ball.

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2017, 01:25:14 PM »
I can usually tell within a couple of games if the surface is right for me..

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2017, 01:25:34 PM »
I used to use like a 5 inch pin to pap, 35 to 40 degrees with a hole on the pap to make the ball stand up hard then set up, but now that I am more up the back of the ball, it makes a ball terribly sensitive to the pattern. If I leak one into the dry too soon it hooks up too fast and trying to wheel it gets tricky. Also, if I leak it into the oil, it's going to skate.

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2017, 01:27:25 PM »
I can usually tell within a couple of games if the surface is right for me..

1500 polished is the nut look for you, no?   :P  :P  :P

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2017, 01:44:49 PM »
I can usually tell within a couple of games if the surface is right for me..

1500 polished is the nut look for you, no?   :P  :P  :P

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