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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Juggernaut on March 11, 2022, 08:41:17 AM
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I'm going to finally get to go to the OPEN next week. Always wanted to go, just never had the time and the money at the same time before.
For all you other guys who are going, or who have been before, what variety of stuff are you taking?
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I leave in 12 days, probably should start thing about it?
But seriously, in my head right now I think this is going to be my 6
Jackal Ghost
Mythic Jackal
Pride
Shock
Blue Coral or Fatal or Ripcord Velocity, will be a last minute decision
Spare
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I have always taken 5 plus plastic, but after last years s#@t show of a performance, I will only be taking 3. The smaller amount of balls, simplifies decision making for which ball to use and I'm dropping the plastic because I don't leave enough 10 pins to justify taking it...besides I can get the UC3 to do the same job as plastic.
My Open arsenal:
Axiom at 2K or 3K
Axiom Pearl at 1K polished
Rubicon UC3 at oob
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Our team will be going in early May.
I have always takes 4 balls, this year they will be.
Motiv Venom Shock
RotoGrip UFO Alert
Storm Pitch Black
Team Storm Plastic
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Bowling April 16th and 17th.
I am close enough to drive so I will take different balls for Team and Doubles/Singles
Team event
#1. Motiv Midnight Sniper. My normal spare ball and can be useful if the lanes are truly fried.
#2. Forge Fire 4000 + Polish. Good length and sharp down lane move. I can move left with this ball.
#3. Pride P5000 CTD pad . I hated this ball when I first got it, then I had a eureka moment that reminded me why I'm not a professional bowler. :-) Nice smooth movement on the lane that allows for easy control.
#4. Trident Odyssey 3000 CTD pad. In box surface the Pride and Odyssey are somewhat similar, but changing the surfaces gives an option. I will be able to get to the pocket with both of these, but between the two, I should be able to also have carry.
Doubles/Singles
#1. Motiv Midnight Sniper. My normal spare ball and can be useful if the lanes are truly fried.
#2. Motiv Forza GT P5000 CTD pad. This ball has always treated me well in Singles. Smooth and predictable. I only use it once a year and if I'm not having an operator error day, it rolls nicely on the D/S patterns.
#3. Motiv Venom Cobra P5000 CTD pad.
#4. Motiv Top Thrill 4000 polished, with a light scruff from a worn P5000 pad.
Update: Just received an email from Motiv that the new Blue Coral Venom will be released on 4/13 which means I will have it around 4/1. So it might make the trip...or not.
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Pro Motion
Covert Tank
Desert Tank
EBI Purple Hammer (it’s a 9 series so it’s ok)
Venom Shock
Plastic
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Hammer: 3D Offset, Scorpion, Web Tour
Brunswick: Jab SE ( stong layout), Jab SE ( weak layout)
Track: Spare
Just going to be a matter of surface adjustments prior to going
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Nova, Altered Reality, Wolverine, Pitch black.
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Considering the group I'm going out there with - my golf clubs.
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Phaze ll Hyroad Pearl Mix
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We've got awhile before we bowl, but
Quantum EVO solid
Knock Out Black/Blue
GB4 pearl
Payback
Crown Jewel
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Bowling May 11th and12th.
Trident Odyssey
Venom Blue Coral
Fatal Venom
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Ugh, every year I design about 35 different arsenals that I could possibly bring with to Nationals, and I usually end up averaging about a buck seventy per game regardless. One of these years, I'm just going to walk in with a single ball in one hand (no bag) and a pair of shoes in the other. That sounds pimp.
In any case, as of now, here is what I plan to bring this year:
PhysiX - 1.5x6x1 (2000)
IQ Tour Solid - 5.25x4.25x2.5 (2000)
Venom Shock - 5x5.5x3 (2000-3000)
UC3 - 4x4x2 (1000)
Purple Hammer - 4x4x2 (1000)
Pitch Black - 4.5x4.5x2.5 (500)
Plastic
Obviously, that's a lot of urethane, which I know is taboo for some. Still, after several years of beating my head against the wall trying to chase the shot left, this year, my goal is to control pocket. I'm hoping to be able to use the Pitch Black and/or Purple Hammer during a good chunk of team. The UC3 could be an option during the early portion of minors. If I'm wrong, I'll still have two very versatile reactives in the IQ Tour and Venom Shock.
I say all this realizing that I don't bowl until Apr. 30 and May 1, which means I have time to rethink this about 50 times between now and then. I guess we'll see.
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Don't have a set date of going yet, but will try to make it out to sub at some point.
Obsession
RST X-2
Marvel Maxx Pearl
Proof Hybrid (short pin)
Hustle Camo
Plastic
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Well, I’m here in Vegas. I ended up bringing:
1. Track Red Paradox—-OOB with polish
2. Roto Hyper Cell Fused—Box finish
3. Roto UC3–Box finish with just a touch of shine
4. Brunswick Black Quantum—Not sure, but it’s always been shiny and I never changed it.
Anything else and I’ll just have to drop some $.
Wish me luck. We have practice and the Bowlers Journal later today.
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Well, I’m here in Vegas. I ended up bringing:
1. Track Red Paradox—-OOB with polish
2. Roto Hyper Cell Fused—Box finish
3. Roto UC3–Box finish with just a touch of shine
4. Brunswick Black Quantum—Not sure, but it’s always been shiny and I never changed it.
Anything else and I’ll just have to drop some $.
Wish me luck. We have practice and the Bowlers Journal later today.
Good luck Jug!
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Well, I’m here in Vegas. I ended up bringing:
1. Track Red Paradox—-OOB with polish
2. Roto Hyper Cell Fused—Box finish
3. Roto UC3–Box finish with just a touch of shine
4. Brunswick Black Quantum—Not sure, but it’s always been shiny and I never changed it.
Anything else and I’ll just have to drop some $.
Wish me luck. We have practice and the Bowlers Journal later today.
Yeah, good luck! Also, let me know if you end up with a look out of that UC3. I'm almost positive I'm bringing at least two urethane balls (Pitch Black and Purple Hammer), but I'm strongly considering having the UC3 in there as well. I'll be curious to hear whether or not you think it's a good option out there. Hit 'em hard!
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Good luck!!
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
While the Plaza has a decent amount of friction now, the regular bowling center still has even more
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
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I think 99 times out of 100 early and strong is a bad combo for the Open - especially at SouthPoint. So much friction there.
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
Over 7. Same guys will come back and claim how “tight†they were. No, your ball was exhausted at 25 feet and had nothing left down lane.
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Something fast, something slower, a Venom Shock and a Skull ball.
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
Over 7. Same guys will come back and claim how “tight†they were. No, your ball was exhausted at 25 feet and had nothing left down lane.
You might just win with that number. I've already seen several in my Challenge league and we are currently on a 37 ft pattern with moderate oil. Of course the scoring pace was seriously dropping toward the end of the first game and got worse as the night went on.
A few years ago I had a new bowler go to the Open with my group and he had a 6 ball roller. Dude had six different brands of balls and all six of them were the newest, biggest hook monster that each brand offered. Of course, he shot a very low 400 for each of the three sets.
Afterwards, he was asking for advice and when I said, 'Maybe have 6 different balls instead of six of the same ball', he just wanted to argue that they WERE different.
I could not explain to him(in a way he was willing to listen to) that the label on the ball didn't make it different.
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If you throw it slow enough, urethane always looks good in the arena no matter what is out there. This is just from hundreds of hours of bowling + live in-person view since it's opened. Of course there's exceptions, but I just don't see it playing much different for the folks that are really good at keeping it in front of them with a soft, revvy hand.
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I find it hard to believe anyone would argue with that milo guy he’s so smart just look at all of his posts pure intelligence going to waste on such a great and informative site
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I find it hard to believe anyone would argue with that milo guy he’s so smart just look at all of his posts pure intelligence going to waste on such a great and informative site
Really, you find it hard to believe? Amazing... ::)
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
Over 7. Same guys will come back and claim how “tight†they were. No, your ball was exhausted at 25 feet and had nothing left down lane.
You might just win with that number. I've already seen several in my Challenge league and we are currently on a 37 ft pattern with moderate oil. Of course the scoring pace was seriously dropping toward the end of the first game and got worse as the night went on.
A few years ago I had a new bowler go to the Open with my group and he had a 6 ball roller. Dude had six different brands of balls and all six of them were the newest, biggest hook monster that each brand offered. Of course, he shot a very low 400 for each of the three sets.
Afterwards, he was asking for advice and when I said, 'Maybe have 6 different balls instead of six of the same ball', he just wanted to argue that they WERE different.
I could not explain to him(in a way he was willing to listen to) that the label on the ball didn't make it different.
I sincerely hope he has learned from his errors or he’s no longer with your group.
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
Over 7. Same guys will come back and claim how “tight†they were. No, your ball was exhausted at 25 feet and had nothing left down lane.
You might just win with that number. I've already seen several in my Challenge league and we are currently on a 37 ft pattern with moderate oil. Of course the scoring pace was seriously dropping toward the end of the first game and got worse as the night went on.
A few years ago I had a new bowler go to the Open with my group and he had a 6 ball roller. Dude had six different brands of balls and all six of them were the newest, biggest hook monster that each brand offered. Of course, he shot a very low 400 for each of the three sets.
Afterwards, he was asking for advice and when I said, 'Maybe have 6 different balls instead of six of the same ball', he just wanted to argue that they WERE different.
I could not explain to him(in a way he was willing to listen to) that the label on the ball didn't make it different.
I sincerely hope he has learned from his errors or he’s no longer with your group.
No longer with my group. Ironic how some big shot house 200+ bowlers gets such a pissy attitude when they are forced to admit they aren't as good as they believed.
In Baton Rouge, I had a new bowler quit after the second frame of the first game of singles. He was a 210+ house bowler. Shot mid 300 in team, barely 400 in doubles and when the two opens(with a gutter first ball) occurred at the start of singles, he was done. He packed up his stuff and sat in the bleachers. The last thing I heard from him was "F*** this tournament, I'm a better bowler than this"
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No longer with my group. Ironic how some big shot house 200+ bowlers gets such a pissy attitude when they are forced to admit they aren't as good as they believed.
In Baton Rouge, I had a new bowler quit after the second frame of the first game of singles. He was a 210+ house bowler. Shot mid 300 in team, barely 400 in doubles and when the two opens(with a gutter first ball) occurred at the start of singles, he was done. He packed up his stuff and sat in the bleachers. The last thing I heard from him was "F*** this tournament, I'm a better bowler than this"
That is one of the best things I've heard in a while.
It's definitely interesting watching the reactions from house bowlers here when they decide to bowl a local tournament ran on challenge or sport.
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I'm probably gonna bring a few slower response balls, and a few faster response balls. I probably will not bring a hook monster, nor anything too basic. I don't have an arsenal, but here are some balls on the shortlist:
- Purple Hammer
- Radical Conspiracy Hybrid (pin down)
- 900 Global Reality (pin down)
- 900 Global Aspect (pin down)
- 900 Global Flux Solid (pin up)
- 900 Global HB Intensity (pin up)
- Storm Trend 2 (pin up)
- AMF Ninja SE (pin up)
- 900 Global Respect (pin in ring)
- Roto Grip Hustle PBR
- Plastic
- A literal stick of dynamite
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No longer with my group. Ironic how some big shot house 200+ bowlers gets such a pissy attitude when they are forced to admit they aren't as good as they believed.
In Baton Rouge, I had a new bowler quit after the second frame of the first game of singles. He was a 210+ house bowler. Shot mid 300 in team, barely 400 in doubles and when the two opens(with a gutter first ball) occurred at the start of singles, he was done. He packed up his stuff and sat in the bleachers. The last thing I heard from him was "F*** this tournament, I'm a better bowler than this"
That is one of the best things I've heard in a while.
It's definitely interesting watching the reactions from house bowlers here when they decide to bowl a local tournament ran on challenge or sport.
Here is the best part, the guy drove to Baton Rouge...from Stockton, CA. 2000+ miles with one of our other bowlers.
I know that had to be a fun ride home.
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Practice session went well, and I found a decent line playing tight around the third arrow with the black quantum.
Not much miss room (especially out), but ball would hold line decently with enough pop to carry.
Bowlers journal was NOT good for me. Not sure exactly what the pattern was, but it seemed short and hooky for me. Didn’t shoot well at all, but did see some who did, and they were shimming it up from out, playing around 5-7 at the arrows. One guy shot a good 700 something playing there, and two young ladies had exceptional sets playing the same area.
I’m just old now, and not able to repeat shots like I used to, but if you can, there are scores out here to be had.
Got doubles/singles tomorrow. Wish I had something not quite so aggressive, as everything I have was reading the pattern earlier than I wanted.
I try telling you guy every year stop taking these super strong early balls.
You know house bowlers do not listen.
Anyone offering an over/under on the number of Rotogrip Gems that will be on the ball returns of my four teams? ;D
Over 7. Same guys will come back and claim how “tight†they were. No, your ball was exhausted at 25 feet and had nothing left down lane.
You might just win with that number. I've already seen several in my Challenge league and we are currently on a 37 ft pattern with moderate oil. Of course the scoring pace was seriously dropping toward the end of the first game and got worse as the night went on.
A few years ago I had a new bowler go to the Open with my group and he had a 6 ball roller. Dude had six different brands of balls and all six of them were the newest, biggest hook monster that each brand offered. Of course, he shot a very low 400 for each of the three sets.
Afterwards, he was asking for advice and when I said, 'Maybe have 6 different balls instead of six of the same ball', he just wanted to argue that they WERE different.
I could not explain to him(in a way he was willing to listen to) that the label on the ball didn't make it different.
I sincerely hope he has learned from his errors or he’s no longer with your group.
No longer with my group. Ironic how some big shot house 200+ bowlers gets such a pissy attitude when they are forced to admit they aren't as good as they believed.
In Baton Rouge, I had a new bowler quit after the second frame of the first game of singles. He was a 210+ house bowler. Shot mid 300 in team, barely 400 in doubles and when the two opens(with a gutter first ball) occurred at the start of singles, he was done. He packed up his stuff and sat in the bleachers. The last thing I heard from him was "F*** this tournament, I'm a better bowler than this"
That guy wouldn’t have liked me. I would have reminded him it looks like you’re a 120 bowler.
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Some videos are popping up of people bowling well, seeing strong asymmetrical pearls in the middle of the lane later in the team sets, and right off the bat in minors looking pretty good. I'm leaving on Wednesday and bowl the 26-27th.
Jackal Ghost, Mythic Jackal, Shock, Fatal, Spare, and random lottery pick i'll decide when i'm loading my truck up to go to the airport in tow. New Blue Coral Venom is in consideration strongly.
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Some videos are popping up of people bowling well, seeing strong asymmetrical pearls in the middle of the lane later in the team sets, and right off the bat in minors looking pretty good. I'm leaving on Wednesday and bowl the 26-27th.
Jackal Ghost, Mythic Jackal, Shock, Fatal, Spare, and random lottery pick i'll decide when i'm loading my truck up to go to the airport in tow. New Blue Coral Venom is in consideration strongly.
The scores are looking pretty good, but still a small sample size yet.
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Just saw a video on Facebook of a gentleman from CA roll an 808 series, and his team shot 3291. Looks like he was throwing a UC3, but I'm not 100% positive.
I do not recall scores being so high so early in the tournament. As of this morning (March 21st):
Teams
Doubles
Singles
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Not going this year but based on 29 years I would take my Phase 2, Melee midnight jab, purple hammer, wine hustle and spare ball. Basically rolly stuff that will hit without having to totally open up the lane
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Well, got back home today. Guess not too bad for my first try.
Shot 590 in team, 553 in doubles, and 500 in singles.
Matchup is CRITICAL. Hope you have the right ball in your hand, or the ability to obtain it in a moments notice.
I wished I had taken a weaker piece, which would have allowed me to play tighter line over the third arrow area. Had to try to swing what I had with me too much, and missed into the out of bounds too many times.
I also found out what a spare ball is for. Tried making tenpins during practice with my “regular†equipment, and then went straight away and got me a Storm Mix to shoot tens with. Take a spare ball, you’ll need it, lol.
Good luck guys. Go shoot a ton somebody. ;D
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Well, got back home today. Guess not too bad for my first try.
Shot 590 in team, 553 in doubles, and 500 in singles.
Matchup is CRITICAL. Hope you have the right ball in your hand, or the ability to obtain it in a moments notice.
I wished I had taken a weaker piece, which would have allowed me to play tighter line over the third arrow area. Had to try to swing what I had with me too much, and missed into the out of bounds too many times.
I also found out what a spare ball is for. Tried making tenpins during practice with my “regular†equipment, and then went straight away and got me a Storm Mix to shoot tens with. Take a spare ball, you’ll need it, lol.
Good luck guys. Go shoot a ton somebody. ;D
Respectable showing for your first time there.
Spare balls are good for more than just 10 pins, especially on tougher conditions.
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Good point. I use my spare ball for everything except double wood on flatter patterns. Without a spare ball 4s and 7s can be trickier than 10s.
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Looks like it’s doesn’t matter what you bring it’s wide open just got back my scores are near the top I am 40 year entrant around 203 ave yes late 50s and they easy
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Looks like it’s doesn’t matter what you bring it’s wide open just got back my scores are near the top I am 40 year entrant around 203 ave yes late 50s and they easy
If you don't me asking, what were your scores? And what did you see on the lanes?
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I know 8 balls I'm not taking. Sheesh.
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Just bowled the nationals earlier this month. Seemed a tad easier than is past years. I took 4 balls, 3 plus my WD spare ball..
RG Gem - bought this week before going based on reco from the pro shop. It's a beast of a ball and could not figure it out in the team event. However, had a great read in S/D.
GB2 - Best look in team event. Read the pattern well
Motive Tribal Pearl - Tried to play straight up the track, but couldn't get it to hold on the back end. Still love that ball though.
Hope this helps, and GOOD LUCK in Vegas!!