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Bjaardker

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People just dont "get" particle equipment. or "Particles 101"
« on: January 28, 2003, 05:58:18 PM »
Time and time again I see people talking about how their medium aggressive resin ball is "out hooking" their higher load particles & how much particle balls suck.

How many times have you bowled somewhere & overheard how their high load particle isn't hooking as much as their resin on these lanes. That must mean that the particle is a piece of junk since it hits so poorly & wont move at all.

After seeing this repeated so many times both here & on the lanes my only conclusion is this: 75% of the people who are buying new bowling balls have NO CLUE what that ball is supposed to do & when it doesn't cover 30 boards for them it's a "crap ball".

First, who's to blame on this one? the consumer for not learning what equipment they own? The ball companies for not making info readily available, or not clearly explaining what the technology does? The pro-shop for selling a ball to the consumer without explaining it?

Second, lets dissmiss this myth that just because it doesn't move as many boards it isn't "hooking" as much. Particle & reactive resin balls are 2 COMPLETELY different beasts. To try & compare how much one hooks versus the other is like trying to compare how a person hits a ball with a 1 wood VS. a 5 iron. On a clean walled shot, a particle ball will almost never move more than a resin. The reason for this is 2 fold: 1) The particle is beginning its hook as soon as it hits the lane. Even though it looks like it's skidding, all of those little particles are grabbing the lane & creating friction trying to get the ball into its roll. Thus reducing the skid of the ball & ultimately the number of boards for it to recover in the back end. 2) Unless there is a lot of oil to keep too many of the particles from grabbing, the ball will "Burn up". There will simply be too much friction between the lane & the ball & you will ot only get even fewer boards covered, but the ball will hit the pins like a purse. The higher load of particles = more friction. That means you will need even more oil & you can expect FEWER boards covered due to the ball trying to get in its roll even earlier. However in "hooking power" the particle is stronger because it is starting it's hook as soon as it hits the lane, while the resin is merely skidding waiting to find a dry board to move on. Bottom line, Particles will generally have more hooking power, but cover less boards than a resin.

Generally I've found that the people who are most disappointed when they buy a particle ball are the ones who've grown up in the sport of bowling with resin equipment. They've come to expect the booming backends & have learned to play the game accordingly. When they get the particle, they haven't ever used a ball like that reacts similar to it & call them crap. This is partly because they don't know how to adjust them into their game, and also partly because the ball companies keep saying these are "hook monsters" but they dont see the balls covering more boards. "Older" bowlers who used or grew up with urethane/poly/rubber balls have generally welcomed these particle balls. They are familiar with the arcing hook, and many strokers can consistantly arc the ball nicely in the oil with them.

So I'll try to sum this up. I feel that pro-shops & manufacturers really need to do a better job of getting info out there about what a particle ball is & what it will do when it hits the lane. And remember, just because it isn't booming across 20 boards to the pocket doesn't mean it's not working right, or it's not hooking as hard.

I look forward to what you all have to say on the subject.

 

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Re: People just dont
« Reply #136 on: August 10, 2012, 06:43:23 PM »
Particle was originally pushed by Quantum/Brunswick to be a very smooth even ball that didn't over/under react to the lanes the same way as reactive did. Just like everything still today, it was morphed into super soakers that will hook the entire lane plus the one next to you.

Today is no different. There is no ball out there that can hook enough for "todays bowlers" on "todays oils" which is what companies are selling and bowlers are buying by the truck load.

Not sure what "todays oils" are exactly but most medium or less equipment is the only way to go on todays THS if your playing up the right side of the lane. The oil will disappear after a game or less even with much less aggressive equipment.

One of my favorite balls I owned and currently have one of undrilled(thanks Brunsnick) is the Power Groove Proactive Pearl Plum. Clean through the heads, and strong down lane. It didn't jump has hard as reactive off the dry but still had the angle down lane. Much more forgiving reaction down lane off the dry.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #137 on: August 10, 2012, 07:08:29 PM »
All I have to say is Well Explain!

larry mc

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Re: People just dont
« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2012, 08:10:06 PM »
lane 1 curve is low particle load and hooks a ton and mostly on the back end

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« Reply #139 on: August 10, 2012, 11:17:58 PM »
I believe lefties still have the oil conditions that are most favorable for particle balls.

I have one I still get wonderful results with on the left side,,,my Icon2 from Columbia.  Now almost 10 or 11 years old!

I had a wonderful Pro Zone Violet I wish I could find a replacement for.  I believe on many concitions this medium load particle would continue to work on the left.

I gave my son recently a Track Arsenal Angular for the right(pearlish Particle) and I like the look but he prefers his reactives.

Bottom line.  for Lefties Particles are still a great answer particularly for the typical side to side wet dry!  For righties I would not think as much!  In addition for Lefties I don't think they are the anwer for heavy Flat oil, particularly the "hook monster" low RG oiler particles!  The particle ball for that condition....?  Well, I think I know...

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« Reply #140 on: August 11, 2012, 11:07:53 AM »
+1 Kidlost on the Power Groove Proactive Pearl Plum!! That ball was awesome and you could use it on a lot of conditions!!!
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« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2012, 11:15:41 AM »
I agree about the great post!!! I'm one that loves particle coverstock and it's sad that Brunswick doesn't have it in their lineup!!! I'm the type that loved the control of urethane and didn't like the movement of reactive! When they came out with the particle additive in the reactive coverstock, "Bingo"! I loved the controlled hitting power of this coverstock!!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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« Reply #142 on: August 11, 2012, 08:58:11 PM »
lane 1 curve is low particle load and hooks a ton and mostly on the back end

Pearls with particle are a bit different from the solids. I have loved several particle pearls along the way. They backend through the carrydown like today's hybrids. The solids that are for heavy oil upfront are very early. Board coverage is reduced by early friction. Particle solids will roll through the pins like nobody's business. It's unlikely they will do it from the 3 board. Used properly they will out carry reactives on slick conditions. At least that has been my experience.

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« Reply #143 on: August 11, 2012, 09:24:24 PM »
yeah for my solid particle i use my carbide +

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« Reply #144 on: August 12, 2012, 03:46:22 PM »
AMF terminal velocity is still my oil ball when I see enough of it. I'm looking for anoth one.

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« Reply #145 on: August 12, 2012, 05:59:54 PM »
Generally speaking bowlers don't really understand what they want vs. what they need.

We have all been duped into thinking that phrases like "long and strong", "skid and flip" are what we need in a bowling ball. in effect what the bowler needs is a ball to clear the heads, hook enough to attain proper entry angle and then roll strongly through the pins.

I understand that the reaction one gets from a highly polished pearl resin is far more impressive looking than what you get from a dull surfaced particle but what about the carry and the resulting score?

If you want to control a wet/dry lane or combat lots of oil, then particles are for you.

A previous poster mentioned the Lane #1 Curve. The Curve is a pearl resin with a light particle load. Why did they do this? It doesn't seem to make sense. The reason is that if they did not add the light particle load the ball would have been so skid-flippy and have so much over/under reaction that it would have been virtually useless. The added particle got the ball to pick up just early enough that it helped to calm down the breakpoint make it a far more consistent ball.

ANother fantastioc ball for this was the Lane #1 G-Force Nebula....VERY underrated ball. The release timing of the ball sucked and the fact that it was released along with the Evolution (which looked identical AND sported that ever loved skid-flip ball reaction) all led to the overlooking of the Nebula.....incredibly smooth down the lane and powerful at the pins.

The coverstock on the PowerGroove Particles was just flat out awesome....it would make a GREAT comeback in the Slingshot line...BRUNSWICK TAKE NOTE!!!!!

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Re: People just dont
« Reply #146 on: August 13, 2012, 10:46:06 PM »
I really like my Storm Shift.  It's a particle pearl.  My 15lber cracked so I'm back to the 16 lber when I want to use it. 

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« Reply #147 on: August 14, 2012, 07:52:57 AM »
I have many Lanemaster pieces and The Sting is a great particle ball. I have four drilled in different pin positions and this ball just keeps rolling with little or no deflection. A great THS ball and most sport patterns.
I'm not a high rev player or high speed, maybe that's what this ball is looking for.
It just stays in the pocket.  No suprises in motion.
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Re: People just dont
« Reply #148 on: September 10, 2013, 06:52:18 PM »
ttt for reference.
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