Author Topic: Control Ball (Read 6023 times)

Jeffrevs · « **on:** August 05, 2003, 07:11:44 PM »

Even though my first sport tournament/experience was a debacle (on the lanes....we had a great time....) but,.....I want to do more tourneys, especially sport. I know it can only make me better !

That being said.......I'm thinking of getting a control ball. I'm looking for peoples experience with certain balls/drillings that gave them control, or people who have or have had a ball that was marketed as "control".

I'm thinking Tour Power ( I know, I know, it's gone), Purple Ice Ex, I'm even thinking of a Sonic X Solid drilled 2x5 or 2x2, etc,...etc....

So, have at it folks! Give me your recommended "control ball / sport ball" and, recommended drilling, etc........thanks..

oh, and by the way....if anyone is getting rid of anything control, I'd be glad to take something used too........

Thanks !
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !

Edited on 8/6/2003 11:19 AM

Edited on 8/6/2003 12:13 PM

Buzzhead · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2003, 06:54:04 AM »

VIPER PEARL. PERIOD 0-1" of flare without any special drilling involved.
I am going to try mine out tonight on the TOC shot. 50' of stuff. will let ya know how it handles the slop...

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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2003, 07:07:18 AM »

charlest,
please see my message.....we misunderstood each other, at least I missed something

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JEFF
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2003, 07:10:24 AM »

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I think the key for you, or anyone else looking for "control", is to think about what combo will give you the ability to have a ball do what you tell it to do.

Constantine, thanks, the quote above is really the ticket! Great Post!

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Coverstock - mild resin, solid, 800 grit, cross-hatched
Core - Low to Medium-low RG, medium differential, symetrical
Drilling - 2 1/2" x 2 1/2" with weighthole on PAP

Do you have a specific ball currently that matches the specs you gave??

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JEFF
Just chimin' in !

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Constantine · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2003, 01:25:51 PM »

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Do you have a specific ball currently that matches the specs you gave??

I have a ball, but its so old I won't mention it.

I have been looking and these are the ones that interest me most (in order):

RotoGrip Sliver Streak
Columbia Piranah Retro
Visionary Charcoal Executioner
Columbia Spirit II

However, nothing looks like a perfect match. In my opinion, its a hole for every company. For example, just look a Brunswick's '03/'04 Comparison Chart...there's not an arc ball between the urethane Groove and the Swamp Monster. That's a huge gap that should be filled in my opinion. But as we all know, "control" balls don't sell as well as flashy hook balls.
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Good luck & good bowling

livespive · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2003, 01:49:20 PM »

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quote:
Do you have a specific ball currently that matches the specs you gave??

I have a ball, but its so old I won't mention it.

I have been looking and these are the ones that interest me most (in order):

RotoGrip Sliver Streak
Columbia Piranah Retro
Visionary Charcoal Executioner
Columbia Spirit II

However, nothing looks like a perfect match. In my opinion, its a hole for every company. For example, just look a Brunswick's '03/'04 Comparison Chart...there's not an arc ball between the urethane Groove and the Swamp Monster. That's a huge gap that should be filled in my opinion. But as we all know, "control" balls don't sell as well as flashy hook balls.
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Good luck & good bowling

interesting,

You are among an increasing number of bowlers that I see that might use visionary products( as they are not well know up here in bean Town

) That has said that they would use the charcol ex for control instead of the purple ice.

Why might that be oh wise one? (By the way glad to see you posting again

)
I know I myself prefer a solid resin ball, over pearls. It just seems a little more "user friendly"
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

Constantine · « **Reply #21 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:04:59 AM »

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interesting,

You are among an increasing number of bowlers that I see that might use visionary products( as they are not well know up here in bean Town) That has said that they would use the charcol ex for control instead of the purple ice.

Why might that be oh wise one? (By the way glad to see you posting again)
I know I myself prefer a solid resin ball, over pearls. It just seems a little more "user friendly"
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

Charcoal is solid and resin. Purple Ice is pearl and particle. Also per Visionary's ratings, the Charcoal has (on a 1 to 10 scale) length of 6.5 and backend of 8.5 while the Purple Ice has length of 5 and backend of 8. And since they have the exact same core, I know the difference is all in the cover.

I think either ball would do okay when I used my standard release. Both with my desired 2.5 x 2.5 drilling would arc smooth. However, when I wanted to play tight I think the length of the Charcoal would be beneficial. And when I want to hit the ball, I think the solid resin would give me more backend pop.
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Good luck & good bowling

Pye · « **Reply #22 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:26:00 AM »

Just to add to Constantine's observations on the Executioners:

The cover on the Charcoal is very tunable, while the cover on the Purple Ice is not. There's been more than a few that have regreted taking the Ice to the spinner. It's very hard to get it "back" if you don't like what you've done.

jjlamoroso · « **Reply #23 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:47:41 AM »

Could a Trash be a good control ball for med/med-heavy sport
pattern and taking into account of my profile what could be
a good layout for this purpose. Ball is ordered but not drilled yet.
Thanks for reading.

livespive · « **Reply #24 on:** August 08, 2003, 10:08:07 AM »

I see your point
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

jjlamoroso · « **Reply #25 on:** August 08, 2003, 11:06:13 AM »

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I see your point
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member

jjlamoroso · « **Reply #26 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:49:00 AM »

Any answer?
In other words, If a ball due to it's design (low-med RG,
Low-med Differential, particle pearl)can be called control
ball, can it become unstable due to a too strong drilling
(3 3/8 x 3 3/8)?

Constantine · « **Reply #27 on:** August 11, 2003, 05:19:56 PM »

quote:
Any answer?
In other words, If a ball due to it's design (low-med RG,
Low-med Differential, particle pearl)can be called control
ball, can it become unstable due to a too strong drilling
(3 3/8 x 3 3/8)?

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, "control is the ability to have a ball do what you tell it to do."

For me, a leverage drill would be to unstable to be a control ball. The higher flare would hinder my length when I'm attempting to make it play tighter. The flare would also give me more over/under when I want a smooth arc on spotty conditions...but that's me.

You mentioned a Thrash earlier, which would be too strong a cover for me to consider as a control ball...but again that's me.

A bowler's style has an inherent amount of control in it. A stroker is generally much more stable and controlled than cranker. So if you feel your game is by nature under control more than most, there isn't any reason that your control ball shouldn't be more agressive than control balls.

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