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Jorge300

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Good ball to fight carrydown
« on: November 12, 2008, 11:23:08 PM »
Here is my problem:
   I bowl a second shift scratch league, and for the first part of our season the lanes were usually just burnt. I was able to find some decent shots and keep moving left and shot some decent scores. Recently they have had a touch more oil. I have been ok the first game, but somewhere in the second or third game I start to lose carry as the carrydown builds up. I can't seem to stay where I am, as the balls hooks too early, but a small adjustment left start leaving 10 pins, either solid or weak depending on release (I am RH, about 18.5 MPH, 390-400 RPM). Normally I throw a shined up Rival, with the pin down, CG kicked out to the right. With it's midlane roll it seems to lose a little on the carrydown. But if I switch to a weaker ball, and stay where I was I seem to wind up with the same thing, and a move right with that ball sends it high.

My options are these: I have a Resurgence drilled the same as the Rival, still in OOB finish. It is too strong that way, but I was thinking of shining it and that might give it more pop on the backend, still getting down the lane. In something new I was thinking of maybe a Playmaker or Kinetic Energy, as I would like to try the new Ebonite and Track equipment (used to have a Big One which unfortunately died an early death, and a Rule GP2, and I liked them both). Open to any other suggestions as well. Thanks for your help.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 07:28:31 AM »
You might try lightly hitting the cover with an abralon pad/scotchbrite/etc. to knock a little of the shine off.  You may also try changing your release slightly to reduce the rev rate a pinch, letting you move back right a couple boards to square up a little more.

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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 07:29:40 AM »
Jorge,

Instead of polishing your Resurgence, maybe try taking it to 4000 Abralon.  Might help get some traction in the carrydown, and the finish may help you get through the heads.

I've bowled in 2nd shift leagues with carrydown and usually prefer dull (2000 and 4000 Abralon) finishes on particle pearls.  Though discontinued, the Venus would be something to consider.  I've seen them on ebay, so they can be found.  Hope this helps some.
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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 08:18:38 AM »
Thanks Guys.

Dan, I have tried the first one, but bowling second shift, it seems to turn the corner too early then. The shine is what is getting it down the lane and it seems to start too early otherwise.

Direct, thanks, I will give that a try. Im getting tired of going 250+ - 21x - 21x, lol.
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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 08:58:20 AM »
Don't take off ALL the shine, just lightly hit the cover enough to get a slightly earlier read.

I still really like my suggestion though of just backing down the revs some so you can move back right a few boards.  When the heads start getting dry and the backends are a little tight, I like to tumble the ball some to get the ball to pick up in the midlane and play more of a hook/set reaction.  This gets me better consistency and better entry angle than relying on the sloppy backends.

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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 11:02:45 AM »
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I like to tumble the ball some to get the ball to pick up in the midlane and play more of a hook/set reaction.  This gets me better consistency and better entry angle than relying on the sloppy backends.


This is great advice, especially if you're getting double-whammied: mid-lane is burning up because the oil from the mid-lane is getting pushed onto the back-end. That's always a tough condition. Getting ball to "face up" in the mid-lane so that it only needs to do minimal work on the back-end can score in those conditions. The trick is to move your break point as far out as you can so that your entry angle doesn't suffer too much.

Generally speaking, the equipment should compliment the lane. If the mid-lane is hooking and the back-end is not, use equipment that is designed to get through the mid-lane cleanly and hook on the back-end (read: skid-flip). Scuffing/sanding a ball will make it want to hook earlier, more in the mids and fronts.  If the ball hooks there, it will have less on the back-end and will not help you create hook in carry down.
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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 01:35:09 PM »
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I like to tumble the ball some to get the ball to pick up in the midlane and play more of a hook/set reaction.  This gets me better consistency and better entry angle than relying on the sloppy backends.


This is great advice, especially if you're getting double-whammied: mid-lane is burning up because the oil from the mid-lane is getting pushed onto the back-end. That's always a tough condition. Getting ball to "face up" in the mid-lane so that it only needs to do minimal work on the back-end can score in those conditions. The trick is to move your break point as far out as you can so that your entry angle doesn't suffer too much.

Generally speaking, the equipment should compliment the lane. If the mid-lane is hooking and the back-end is not, use equipment that is designed to get through the mid-lane cleanly and hook on the back-end (read: skid-flip). Scuffing/sanding a ball will make it want to hook earlier, more in the mids and fronts.  If the ball hooks there, it will have less on the back-end and will not help you create hook in carry down.
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I will be the first to admit, changing hand postions is not a strong suit of my game. I tend to be more up the back of the ball, ala Walter Ray, anyway. I have tried to get stronger at this, but at this point im not sure it is a viable option.

JAnderson, your comments are more in my line of thinking. Which is why I was thinking of a polished Resurgence might work, or something like a Playmaker or Kinetic Pearl which are designed to be more skid/flip. I was tending to shy away from say a Cell Pearl as I thought that would still read the mids a little too much.

Thanks to all who replied so far, I appreciate your comments and ideas.
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Re: Good ball to fight carrydown
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2008, 04:26:00 PM »
Aside fom surface adjustments I would choose a pin up drilling.  Or something with a quicker response on the backend.  For many, trying to get in and hook a pin down ball will only lead to the strong 10, weak 10 conundrum.

It sounds like you can get to the pocket but your carry is suffering.  This would say to me that you have the right surface but the wrong drilling.  I use a ball with a similar surface type (maybe a little smoother either with polish or smoother abralon) but with a pin up drilling with a similar PAP distance as your pin down.

The surface of a ball gets you to the pocket, the drilling will give you maximum carry.


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