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Strider

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Forward/Reverse Oil
« on: January 06, 2012, 11:57:56 AM »
How much difference does it make putting the whole volume out, say forward, vs. the forward/reverse combination normally called for?


 


I'm bowling a (Team USA) sport league.  We bowled the previous summer with the exact conditions as given, which meant a combination of forward are reverse oil application.  This winter, they've had a few conditions barely pass, so they've gone to much more forward/less reverse oil when they've put down the patterns.  Now they're playing like there's a lot less volume.  The long patterns play like mediums, the mediums get wet/dry very fast, and the short play flat out dry (for me).


 


A good example is Stokholm (34', 23.4 mL).  Short, but pretty medium on volume.  During the summer, I could use a 2000 abralon Wicked Siege up the gutter (like Cheetah) with a weak hand position.  When I tried that (twice) during the winter season, the ball went dead left.  The first week I struggled and got better as the night went on.  I didn't write any comments, but would have noted if I used anything except resin.  The second week, I used pearl urethane for a few frames, then used a plastic XXXL the rest of the night.  It was silly.  I shot 682 (one of my better sets) and the ball looked amazing going down lane and through the pins.  I couldn't believe someone with my rev rate was making plastic flip like it did on the back end.


 


I know the volume of oil on each board had to be (pretty much) the same to be called pattern X.  But why does the application direction make such a difference on the way the pattern plays?  These patterns were hard enough the first time out.  Now I'm having to learn how to play them over and over again.



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Re: Forward/Reverse Oil
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 08:07:28 AM »
If I am not mistaken, the forward oil creates the "shape" of the pattern, while reverse gives you "hold area". This might explain why with less reverse, the pattern doesn't act as slick.  Anyone else?
 


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Re: Forward/Reverse Oil
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 04:04:59 AM »
It also defines the "end zone" of the oil pattern, at the edge of the dry backend. Forward oil tends to create a smoother, blended transition zone which allows more room for error. When you have a clear reversed zone (with no underlying forward oil), chances are high that you get a sharp oil edge that leverages release inconsistencies and promotes over/under reactions. You have IMO to play much more accurate in such an environment, and when the oil volume is rather high, carrydown with more challenging side effects is another issue that is more prominent than on a "simple" forward oil pattern/pattern end.


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Re: Forward/Reverse Oil
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 07:09:15 AM »
When I try to develop a shot, I use the reverse oil to control the hold area and the drying out of the pattern.  If the reverse oil is too long, your shot will develop an apparent carry down and you will have trouble at the end of the pattern with carry.  If it is too short, you will develop very dry mids very fast and balls will roll out and makes adjusting a nightmare. 

If your house is having trouble getting the developed shot to be "legal" for a Team USA league, perhaps the league coordinator can contact Kegel and they can propose a solution.  Once you start messing with a pattern, it can get ugly very fast. 

One other note, the shot will also play very different depending on the underlying shot that was there before.  If last year the shot was applied over a decent amount of oil, then the shot would play slicker than if applied over very little oil.  Without knowing why it didn't pass, it would be difficult to know if applying less reverse oil is the correct action.


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Re: Forward/Reverse Oil
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 08:07:01 AM »
Sidebar:  The bold is normal for many house league   Poor length wise taper and no volume applied on outside boards which makes it a wet/dry mess with carry down.
 
spmcgivern wrote on 1/9/2012 8:09 AM:
When I try to develop a shot, I use the reverse oil to control the hold area and the drying out of the pattern.  If the reverse oil is too long, your shot will develop an apparent carry down and you will have trouble at the end of the pattern with carry.  If it is too short, you will develop very dry mids very fast and balls will roll out and makes adjusting a nightmare. 

If your house is having trouble getting the developed shot to be "legal" for a Team USA league, perhaps the league coordinator can contact Kegel and they can propose a solution.  Once you start messing with a pattern, it can get ugly very fast. 

One other note, the shot will also play very different depending on the underlying shot that was there before.  If last year the shot was applied over a decent amount of oil, then the shot would play slicker than if applied over very little oil.  Without knowing why it didn't pass, it would be difficult to know if applying less reverse oil is the correct action.


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Re: Forward/Reverse Oil
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 04:28:39 PM »
My understanding is the same as others on here. The reverse creates the volume and hold....so less reverse less overall volume. I also 100% agree with the idea that it could also be the house shot that is underneath as well. I have bowled a few Regionals when I lived in TX. You would almost always see the same thing every tournament: The Friday practice session the lanes seemed to hook more then you would expect for whatever pattern you were on. On Saturday qualifying, there was less hook then the Friday practice session. And if you made it to Sunday, there was even less hook as the PBA pattern has now been applied for 2 straight days, with mulitple strippings in between and the residual effect of the house shot is gone. If the normal House shot is dryer this year, you could be seeing some of it through here, but I think most of it is due to lack of reverse oil.


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