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Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« on: October 13, 2013, 01:11:02 PM »
I came across this article and found it very informative and interesting, i thought maybe it could help a lot of you out before you buy new bowling balls. Check it out and tell me what you think How to Select The Right Bowling Ball
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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 03:34:53 PM »
I used to feel bad about not knowing alot of the technical stuff, until I found out that some of the biggest names on the tour have zero idea either and they don't care.

I think it was in a Walter Ray Williams interview where someone asked him about his drilling and stuff and he said he had zero idea. He wasn't getting paid to do that, he was getting paid to knock down pins.

Now I've learned enough to know what kind of reaction I want to see and I'm learning that not everything is for every bowler. I can talk to a pro shop guy and explain what I want to do with it, and then let him do his thing. Out of 4 balls currently in use I've been happpy with 3 of them and the 4th has nothing to do with the drilling ( it just doesn't fit my game very well)

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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 03:59:03 PM »
Haha, bravo sir . .

Yes, Gizmo used to be the Hampster, but the Hampster is hopefully dead and gone . . what a little bastard. 

LMAO .... Gizmo, I was born, raised, and schooled in Kansas and worked there until I was 28 (1965) at which time I moved from Kansas. I remember the Hampster being in Topeka, so I pay attention to people that live where I used to live. When you began posting as Gizmo, and said you were from Topeka plus some things you said now and then, I put 2 & 2 together and came up with Gizmo/Hampster...  ;D
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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2013, 04:01:02 PM »
And that's kind of where I'm coming from . . if people don't want to get super technical, I'm not going to push them, that's where I can help.  It's clutter out of your head too if you're just worried about throwing the ball good instead of trying to figure out board moves and thinking about what dual angle layouts you have on your balls back in the bag . . but some people operate that way.  Not everybody is the same, so making everyone be technically proficient isn't going to be right for everyone.  Concepts are what matter. 

I used to feel bad about not knowing alot of the technical stuff, until I found out that some of the biggest names on the tour have zero idea either and they don't care.

I think it was in a Walter Ray Williams interview where someone asked him about his drilling and stuff and he said he had zero idea. He wasn't getting paid to do that, he was getting paid to knock down pins.

Now I've learned enough to know what kind of reaction I want to see and I'm learning that not everything is for every bowler. I can talk to a pro shop guy and explain what I want to do with it, and then let him do his thing. Out of 4 balls currently in use I've been happpy with 3 of them and the 4th has nothing to do with the drilling ( it just doesn't fit my game very well)
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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2013, 04:50:35 PM »
And that's kind of where I'm coming from . . if people don't want to get super technical, I'm not going to push them, that's where I can help.  It's clutter out of your head too if you're just worried about throwing the ball good instead of trying to figure out board moves and thinking about what dual angle layouts you have on your balls back in the bag . . but some people operate that way.  Not everybody is the same, so making everyone be technically proficient isn't going to be right for everyone.  Concepts are what matter. 

I used to feel bad about not knowing alot of the technical stuff, until I found out that some of the biggest names on the tour have zero idea either and they don't care.

I think it was in a Walter Ray Williams interview where someone asked him about his drilling and stuff and he said he had zero idea. He wasn't getting paid to do that, he was getting paid to knock down pins.

Now I've learned enough to know what kind of reaction I want to see and I'm learning that not everything is for every bowler. I can talk to a pro shop guy and explain what I want to do with it, and then let him do his thing. Out of 4 balls currently in use I've been happpy with 3 of them and the 4th has nothing to do with the drilling ( it just doesn't fit my game very well)

Very very true here. and I'll admit that in the early to mid-90s, I got totally lost when ball layouts went to talking about pin placement, CG, etc., when I could easily tell the pro shop operator if I wanted leverage weight, side weight, etc., and how much.

After that, I pretty much lost track of what goes into it, though I'm starting to understand a bit more of it now, especially when it comes to PAP, pin to PAP, and dual layout. But not so much after that.

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However, I should have included this, because increasingly it's become that way.  Seems like almost every shop has an operator that's on someone's staff, or that's at least being sponsored by someone, or has a good connection.

Yes, but not in the current article you have posted. That's why I was thinking of a supplemental article that would be a good followup on this.. or maybe a separate conversation altogether, because (I assume) the premise of *this* article was to help the bowler deal with their confusion about ball selection. Adding in more confusion defeats the purpose of the article! :)

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Obviously if you've got an operator that's on staff with somebody, he's going to push that equipment even if he is still fulfilling his responsibility to the customer to sell them what they need.  One small caveat is that for quite a few guys, it's not necessarily to represent that brand, it's because it looks really good on your resume, and because it appeals to a group of bowlers.

That's some of the problem we have nowadays, and myself, personally. For example: I have gone through my share of pro shops, and while I've always had a good choice with ball selection, sometimes the fit of the ball while great, wasn't 'perfect'. I found that place that did that; both great balls to choose from, and the right fit. So it all came down to building rapport with that shop, especially since the owner of that shop is in the USBC Hall of Fame, and has won some huge tournaments over their career..

Then the proprietor switches brands, and now is a rep for a company whose products really don't fit well. That makes me feel like the odd one out, because I use equipment from a company/companies they no longer represent. That causes water to get murky as they would be ordering products from their "old" company to satisfy their paying customer. And that doesn't even go to mention of if there was bad blood between them that caused them to switch.

See how nasty that could be?

In the end, that could cause me to seek out a new pro shop, killing the rapport I was building, and hoping that the new shop could replicate that perfect fit I had. In the end, this is sorta why I prefer some standalone shops, or places where the owner isn't on staff with a company, or (wishing well here) a shop could have staff reps from more than one company working at it (e.g., one person is a rep for EBI, another person working there a rep for AMF/900 Global, etc.), or have someone who is a rep for more than one company (e.g., the owner is on staff at Storm/Roto and EBI).. mutually inclusive, not mutually exclusive.

Again, if wishes were fishes... Now you have me rambling!  ;D

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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2013, 05:55:50 PM »
Good article.

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The information you will need to provide or that your operator will need to obtain are your positive axis point, or PAP, your ball speed, rev rate, angle of rotation, and axis tilt.

All of this needs explained. Most bowlers I know have no clue about any of these things except speed and that has a set of issues with it too.



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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2013, 06:10:26 PM »
Okay here is one I disagree with..

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Find a good bowler in your area or in your league and ask them how they would evaluate you in normal terms, such as high speed/revs, low speed/revs, etc., and ask them how they would describe the lane conditions you bowl on.

Stick with camera option. Most people have portable camera today (phones, ipods), I really think this is the best route to go.

Don't get me wrong. I think there are good bowlers out there that give good advice, its just that there are also plenty of good bowlers who can't give "good advice". Why take the chance. I say stick to working with the pro shop.


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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2013, 06:17:04 PM »
I find the website interesting.  Using the background of what the PBA used before if I recall correctly.  I wonder if there are any copyright law infringement on this.  I don't see anything stating they obtained permission. 

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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2013, 07:57:07 AM »
You're right, and it's not really something I recommend myself . . but I've run into several people who say they just can't get any video of themselves, so it's a last ditch kind of option, because it frustrates people if they think they can't get a ball drilled right unless they have video and get all technical.  I've heard, "so if I don't have a video and know all this information then you can't do anything for me?  I'll just go somewhere where they know what they're doing and don't need to know all that stuff."  By then I've already lost them and everything I say after that sounds like just covering my ass.  It really doesn't help much, but it's better than having nothing or just their own estimation, and it at least makes them feel like they're helping, which is encouraging for new bowlers or old timers getting back into it.  So yeah, not a good option, but apparently for several people it's their only option. 

And as far as explaining pap, speed, etc., I believe I covered all that and how to calculate it in an earlier article, I'll have to check, but that's an article all in itself.  I wanted to explain it, but it would have messed up the flow of the article, and I was really more presenting options that would appeal to everyone.  The technical guys could jump on that, and if someone is reading the article and doesn't understand what that means, they'll see that they can just take a video instead, hopefully prompting them to ask about all those things later to their pro shop op, and if none of that is an option for them, then there's the last ditch suggestion.  Lol but it does suck, I have to pare back these articles a lot because I'll want to explain absolutely everything I'm talking about, but by the time I'm done, I've got pages and pages and it sounds all disjointed and just is hard to read and keep with the subject at hand.  If I don't have that in a previous article though, I'll definitely address it soon. 

Okay here is one I disagree with..

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Find a good bowler in your area or in your league and ask them how they would evaluate you in normal terms, such as high speed/revs, low speed/revs, etc., and ask them how they would describe the lane conditions you bowl on.

Stick with camera option. Most people have portable camera today (phones, ipods), I really think this is the best route to go.

Don't get me wrong. I think there are good bowlers out there that give good advice, its just that there are also plenty of good bowlers who can't give "good advice". Why take the chance. I say stick to working with the pro shop.
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Re: Great Article on How to select the right bowling ball
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2013, 05:46:51 PM »
Gizmo writes some great material that makes it easier for us to understand
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