Post by: Jeffrevs on April 05, 2004, 06:10:23 PM
I only threw one game with each ball.........however...I think I like this! I didn't really feel a difference with rev-rate, etc....but I did notice one thing....
It seemed I came out of the ball cleaner!?
Is this possible ? Can finger inserts/grips cause a little hang-up?
Thoughts, your experiences ?? Please......thx
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 09:42:30 AM
I guess you're right,...thumb first, then fingers, + grips, ...yup, SURE it can happen!
I have/like my fingers fairly snug but not "tight" ....we'll see how it goes
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JEFF
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 11:51:37 AM
so, obviously you realized a smoother/cleaner release ?
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JEFF
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 11:57:46 AM
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Jeff, you may find you come out of the ball better without grips and if so, then by all means stick with your test, but the next bowler might find just the opposite.
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Bones
Thanks Bones, totally understood, I just wanted to canvas and see if anyone else noticed that when they went without.........
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: Strider on April 06, 2004, 12:10:02 PM
For something even better, have KOTM drill oval holes right in the ball. Most everyone has slightly oval digits. It will give you a better fit and a little more contact area on your pads. Once I got ovals drilled, I wondered how I ever used round fingerholes.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 12:36:42 PM
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JEFF
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Post by: omegabowler on April 06, 2004, 12:47:39 PM
try having an old ball drilled with sharp fingers. no bevel. just a touch of the sander to take the burr off.
it's a physics kind of a thing. leverage and all that. here is a simple real world mid shaker.
have some one hold a pencil horizontally.
place you fingers over it like your bowling.
have them pull away from you, not to fast or hard
you can not stop it unless you squeeze your fingers and grab it. and you know grabbing is bad. you are resisting harder more than they pulling
now have someone hold a thin rectangular object, that doesn’t flex like 1/8 aluminum.
now repeat the process and you will find out they have to pull very hard to get your fingers off and you have to resist very little.
talk about more revs and less grab. give it a try.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 12:51:42 PM
just did it! wierd.......hmmm
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on April 06, 2004, 01:09:14 PM
it makes a big dillference when your form is right and you can feel the ball grabbing your fingers in the bottom of the swing instead of you grabbing the ball.
as a plus it's a good training aid. becuse if you squeeze, you will know it OUCH!
I have gone as far as having the thumb drilled sharp to stop grabbing it.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 01:33:36 PM
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JEFF
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Post by: Pinbuster on April 06, 2004, 01:54:04 PM
He gave us his specs and we drilled it. We took it off the drill press and handed it to him and said he could finish off the holes to his liking. He smiled and said “It is finishedâ€. Walked out and started throwing it.
Would have made my finger and thumb bleed the holes were so sharp.
I don’t believe Norm Duke puts any bevel on his holes either.
Post by: charlest on April 06, 2004, 02:00:53 PM
HOW DO YOU ADJUST THE SIZE OF YOUR FINGER HOLES WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE INSERTS?
Have you ever tried cutting little tiny pieces of tape and get them to stick in the back of the holes, and they dirty and they slide out and ht eglue gets on your fingers, etc., etc.
With inserts, you stick a small carboard shim in the back or you take it out. simple, easy, quick, and it doesn't move around or get glue on your fingertips, or ....
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 06, 2004, 02:02:33 PM
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JEFF
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Post by: Steven on April 06, 2004, 02:11:00 PM
And there is nothing like being in a center during the summer where the air conditioning mysteriously doesn't work..........
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Post by: omegabowler on April 06, 2004, 02:15:12 PM
I have traded for a ball once that had the grips taken out. the holes were sharp and the span was close and I was able to throw it anyway.
You don't need a tight finger hole to keep the ball on your hand with this method.
I have tried every finger grip over the years. including vaccu-grips. they grab your fingers but I get more revs with my current drilling.
My finger are piyched away even. although I going to try the Claw grip in combination with a CLT .
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Post by: charlest on April 06, 2004, 02:37:13 PM
quote:
Charlest, I've never, ever, not once in my 40+ years of bowling felt the need to adjust the size of my finger holes. If I did, I'd probably put tape on my finger (down the back). My thumb changes size, but not my fingers, at least not enough to matter.
Lucky you.
Mine changes with the weather and the time of day, and almost but not quite as often as my thumb.
Also, but keeping my finger inserts exactly the size of my fingers, I prevent myself from unconsciously shoving my fingers down as deep as I can. When I do that, I tend to crack to skin just above the first joint. The blood oozing all over prevents a good grip on the ball.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 07, 2004, 08:57:20 AM
Wierd,....when I would change to my spare ball (grips,..Contour Super Softs) they felt like a sponge ! It's not that I couldn't adjust between the 2...just felt different,....and I'm going to decide here after the season is over (2 more weeks) what I'm going to do,....I need to give it a little more time to compare, but I'm considering going gripless
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on April 07, 2004, 09:26:31 AM
did you feel the ball grabbing your hand at the bottom of the swing?
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 07, 2004, 09:35:46 AM
Actually, I noticed ... I still stick, but it's my thumb cuz I still tend to grab it sometimes! KOTM was at league last night watching, and said I AM coming out of the ball MUCH MUCH better/cleaner.....but he's noticed that in the last 2 weeks, meaning with and without grips....
HOWEVER..........I feel, when I DON'T grab it,....it's a cleaner feel and release...
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JEFF
Better....much better!
Post by: omegabowler on April 07, 2004, 09:51:42 AM
I placed the ball in motion early or I dropped my shoulder big time.
Like you I'm still learning. I exceeded my goal and I'm avg 201. I can't wait for next year. Clean release, good form and free swing on a THS = 220.
my next goal will be to get on a league that put downs a sport or ABC pattern league and avg 200 on that.
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"deserves got nothing to do with it."
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