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And1_headach

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handicap = unfair
« on: July 07, 2004, 06:40:57 PM »
i bowl a handicap junior league and the last 4 weeks i have bowled against lesser, poorer bowlers. tonite i matched up against a girl with a 100 average. now the hanicap is 80% of 200. the girl bowled her avereage the first 3 games ( 4 game set) and all i had to do was hit a 181 to win. now this is unfair seeing my average in this league is a 209, im bowling 30 pins above her without really trying. i went to league and i didnt have to do much, all i had to do was hit 190. but in the 4rth game she hit a 157 (with hanicap = 257)and i struck out for a 258. this is just not fair. how do i help out our poorer bowlers?
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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2004, 10:48:00 AM »
if you think that is bad, i just started up a 9 pin no-tap league.  what the people were smoking when they set up the handicap i have no idea.  if i remember right its 100% of 200 or 210.  now here i am averaging 250 in this league and i don't even have to try to hit that 210 mark.  and here there are some little kids that i'm bowling with (and usually coach) and their averaging not too bad for their age, around 130-140.  but i feel absolutely horrible when i come up and bowl against their team and we end up beating them by 20 pins.  especially when they all hit their average, and i was 20 pins bellow.  so yes i agree with you.  in some cases handicap is just worthless, but i must say that in other cases it can be very very good for lower average bowlers.
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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2004, 11:49:22 AM »
yeah last week was fun for us...giving up 486 pins per game(5 person teams)....and of course they all bowled over average thus guaranteeing a lose all 4 night...

JOE FALCO

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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2004, 12:15:20 PM »
AND1 .. I believe your observation to be correct. Raise the handicap to 100% and the competition will have a chance!
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JOE FALCO

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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2004, 02:29:55 PM »
AUT .. why is it hard to believe that the other guy was also having a GOOD DAY? Handicaps are made to make things equal .. the poster wants to know how he can help .. you want to know how you can BURY them .. two different subjects!
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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2004, 03:27:44 PM »
I see two subjects here (not necessarily related) -- helping out other bowlers, and the fairness of handicap.

The helping out question is easy. Regardless of our respective abilities, we can all use some level of help. It doesn't matter if you're a beginner or if you compete in high end scratch leagues. Being friendly and showing a willingness to give input (as well as receive it) goes a long ways in making the sport fun for all.

Handicap is more complex, but in most cases, the facts are clear; high handicap favors the lower average bowler. There is little to dispute, and a simple example of 100% of 220 handicap illustrates this.

Bowler "A" = 120 average (100 pins handicap)
Bowler "B" = 220 average (0 pins handicap).

If both bowlers bowl their average, we have a tie, and consequently a "fair" situation. However, life is not that simple. The reality is that it's much easier for "A" at 120 to shoot significantly over average than it is for "B" at 220. All the 120 average bowler has to do is pick up two additional easy spares in a game to take their score to 140. That's not too tough to learn how to do over the course of a league season.

It's much more difficult for the 220 average bowler to score a 240 and stay even. He/She have probably been bowling for years, and there is little room for additional improvement.

Forgive Joe for struggling with this, but it's a concept he has yet to grasp. He thinks in the narrow view of Senior leagues where there is some merit to 100% handicap. In just about every other setting, it's badly flawed.  


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JOE FALCO

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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2004, 03:36:08 PM »
ADD1 .. looks like they turned this around .. the more posting the further they get from what you asked .. HOW DO I HELP OUT OUR POORER BOWLERS? The only way you can interpret the responses (most anyway) would be to stop bowling with them .. I stick to my response .. 100% HANDICAP!
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Re: handicap = unfair
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2004, 03:50:56 PM »
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a girl with a 100 average. now the hanicap is 80% of 200. but in the 4rth game she hit a 157 (with hanicap = 257)and i struck out for a 258. this is just not fair. how do i help out our poorer bowlers?


If handicap is 80% of 200 and she has a 100 average she would get 80 pins of handicap meaning she only bowled 237 in the 4th game (157+80).

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2004, 03:54:10 PM »
Author: I suspected you completely understood but you were trying to be polite, so I jumped in....

I'm by no means a professional, but I only bowl scratch for the reasons you described. I'm fortunate that there are some solid scratch leagues in my area from which to choose.

I did break down this summer and agree to bowl with a friend in a acorn match point doubles league. Last night, I shot a 909 (4 games) and barely took 1 point. I was giving up 40 pins a game to someone who 'magically' figured out how to bowl.

It's only for the summer...........  


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JOE FALCO

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2004, 04:04:29 PM »
If I read the original poster .. he's in a league and wants to be as fair as he can with the people that he appears to be over powering.

Guess I got carried away with the QUESTION .. I try to read a s little as possible into it. He wants to be as fair as possible to the other bowlers. Evidently he realizes his ability to go over his average is no different then the lower average bowler .. some of us DON'T SEE that point.

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