Author Topic: Handicap (Read 3940 times)

thewhiz · « **on:** February 17, 2017, 12:53:47 PM »

I am in a league which we base our handicap off of 250. It used to be based off of 220. What would be the reason for the change. It stills work out to be the same amount of pins given to the lower average bowler.

milorafferty · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:00:03 PM »

Unless you have an odd way of calculating handicap, the lower average bowlers will get more pins with the higher basis number.

90% of 220
120 average bowler = 90 pins

90% of 250
120 average bowler = 117 pins

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:28:32 PM »

Percentage change too? Important part of it there.

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:33:36 PM »

Quote from: thewhiz on February 17, 2017, 12:53:47 PM

I am in a league which we base our handicap off of 250. It used to be based off of 220. What would be the reason for the change. It stills work out to be the same amount of pins given to the lower average bowler.

Any more you usually want the base figure higher than the highest average on the league.

So one possible reason for the increase is that one or more bowlers have a higher average than 220 this season, so they increased the base figure.

milorafferty · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:37:04 PM »

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on February 17, 2017, 01:28:32 PM

Percentage change too? Important part of it there.

Yea, anything under 90% screws the lower average bowlers. (100% actually, but scratch bowlers would have a conniption fit if you tried to do that.)

Handicap of 80% of the basis makes it next to impossible for the 150ish bowler to beat the 220ish bowler when the basis is 250.

djgook · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2017, 01:47:50 PM »

So this is why a lot of people are coming up to me and asking me to be their partner for the Summer Tour. My average is 131

. I feel like a used piece of meat but they say the money is good. The struggles of being a new bowler

milorafferty · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2017, 03:18:08 PM »

Quote from: djgook on February 17, 2017, 01:47:50 PM

So this is why a lot of people are coming up to me and asking me to be their partner for the Summer Tour. My average is 131 . I feel like a used piece of meat but they say the money is good. The struggles of being a new bowler

But YOU make money too, right? As someone who started bowling somewhat recently(2009), I can tell you from experience, you have a great opportunity right now. Some of the bowlers you compete against(and win) are gonna cry about sandbagging, but getting better over time when you are a new bowler is the beauty of handicap.

Go get paid my friend!

JohnP · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2017, 03:35:04 PM »

Quote from: djgook on February 17, 2017, 01:47:50 PM

So this is why a lot of people are coming up to me and asking me to be their partner for the Summer Tour. My average is 131 . I feel like a used piece of meat but they say the money is good. The struggles of being a new bowler

These people see potential for you to improve your average during the summer. If you start out with 131 and increase to 150 during the summer you and your partner will do very well. -- JohnP

SG17 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2017, 04:05:31 PM »

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on February 17, 2017, 01:33:36 PM

Quote from: thewhiz on February 17, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
I am in a league which we base our handicap off of 250. It used to be based off of 220. What would be the reason for the change. It stills work out to be the same amount of pins given to the lower average bowler.

Any more you usually want the base figure higher than the highest average on the league.

So one possible reason for the increase is that one or more bowlers have a higher average than 220 this season, so they increased the base figure.

+1

In a handicap league, you want every bowler to have handicap in order to be as fair as possible to lower average bowlers out there.

I haven't read the rule book in a while; but the USBC rule book used to recommend that handicap be set as 100% of 300.

I like 90% as the percentage; still gives the higher average bowler a small advantage for being better, but not insurmountable. you can tighten it up even more at 95%. the logic is that if both bowlers hit average, the higher average guy wins by a few pins. at 100% it would be a tie.

milorafferty · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2017, 04:13:22 PM »

Quote from: SG17 on February 17, 2017, 04:05:31 PM

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on February 17, 2017, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: thewhiz on February 17, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
I am in a league which we base our handicap off of 250. It used to be based off of 220. What would be the reason for the change. It stills work out to be the same amount of pins given to the lower average bowler.

Any more you usually want the base figure higher than the highest average on the league.

So one possible reason for the increase is that one or more bowlers have a higher average than 220 this season, so they increased the base figure.

+1

In a handicap league, you want every bowler to have handicap in order to be as fair as possible to lower average bowlers out there.

I haven't read the rule book in a while; but the USBC rule book used to recommend that handicap be set as 100% of 300.

I like 90% as the percentage; still gives the higher average bowler a small advantage for being better, but not insurmountable. you can tighten it up even more at 95%. the logic is that if both bowlers hit average, the higher average guy wins by a few pins. at 100% it would be a tie.

If you really wanted it to be fair, make it 90% of 200. Then assign the 90% value as a negative for averages higher than 200.

90% of 200

120 bowler gets +72 pins
220 bowler gets -18 pins

If they both bowl their average, the 220 guy still wins, but it makes it a lot more interesting and gives the 120 bowler a fighting chance.

And think of all the fun it will be to see the scratch house hack cry and bellyache over it.

The higher average bowler still wins, but they actually have to work for it.

avabob · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:05:25 PM »

You accomplish the same thing by raising the basis above the highest average in the league without using negative handicap.

milorafferty · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:12:02 PM »

Quote from: avabob on February 17, 2017, 06:05:25 PM

You accomplish the same thing by raising the basis above the highest average in the league without using negative handicap.

Quote from: avabob on February 17, 2017, 06:05:25 PM

You accomplish the same thing by raising the basis above the highest average in the league without using negative handicap.

So you are going to keep raising the basis when the highest average goes up?

avabob · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:30:13 PM »

Why not?

milorafferty · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:43:24 PM »

Quote from: avabob on February 17, 2017, 06:30:13 PM

Why not?

Have you never actually met any bowlers?

milorafferty · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2017, 06:45:26 PM »

Before we start going back and forth with this idea. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I've bowled in a TNBA league that used negative handicap and it worked well.

But I rarely bowl handicap leagues at all now, so I don't really care.

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