Author Topic: Best angle of attack? (Read 4589 times)

Willaby Rags · « **on:** March 17, 2005, 05:01:25 AM »

In my monday night league, they put down a "new" oil pattern. I believe it is called a reverse block. Extremely oily outside of the second arrows, very dry inside them. This is the first time I have ever encountered (or known enough to recgonize it) this oil pattern. My question is, is it better to go with a heavier oil ball and hope it cuts through the thick oil playing down and in, or go with a light oil ball and play the middle?
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Splitz · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:21:45 PM »

I've never seen an actual reverse block. After bowling on a walled up house shot I've seen others call a flatter oil pattern a reverse block because there isn't any "free lunch" anymore. I'd stay away from the hook monsters. If you make a mistake it will just amplify it. I'd either use a polished ball and play more in the center or try to play straight off the corner at a target like the pin next to the headpin and see if you get into the drier area in time to get just a little hook into the pocket. The ball doesn't have to cover a lot of boards to be effective.

Willaby Rags · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:31:44 PM »

Yeah splitz, tell me about it...I just started back into bowling after a couple of years, had my red hammer get chewed up, so my ball choices were either a xcel particle or a maxim spare ball...the xcel, if I missed a board left, it hit too low, if I missed a board right, dead center 4 pin. With the lack of arsenal, I decided to just keep hitting my mark/low and pick up the spares.
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Wilmington, DE

stanski · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:44:28 PM »

no house puts down a reverse block today period. Second shift lanes MIGHT play somewhat similar to a reverse block, but if a house actually put this shot down, no one would show up.
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Willaby Rags · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2005, 01:53:06 PM »

It was a real wake up call...I've never seen so many different styles of throwing all struggle...the big hook guys were hurting the most. Gutterballs, overreaction, and missed spares abounded
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Ryan
Wilmington, DE

C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:00:37 PM »

The easiest way I have found to play a shot that is close to what you are encountering is to try your best to stand left and treat 4th arrow like you would normally treat 3rd arrow. You will not have as much room to the right, but if you start the ball in at 25 and cross 4th arrow you should be fine. In this situation I usually grab a polished reactive ball that will get down the lane well and maintain a strong breakpoint.

This is a very difficult line to play when you are not used to it, but playing on a pattern like you listed will and can make you a better bowler.

-EX-
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baccala8872 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:10:41 PM »

Good call, Ex.

My center mistakenly (and later corroborated by the establishment owner) put down a reverse block when he goofed on the machine settings.

Warming up on it, I knew something was just not right. Anything outside 12-13 was picking off the 6-9-10. I am a tweener/spinnerish guy, so I just took a shiny, skid/snap ball (Dynothane Element Au79), moved 14 boards left to board 35, swung 4th arrow (reduced ball speed) out to about 13-15 and killed the pocket all night. It honestly seemed like a THS, just kicked over about 15 boards left, with a MAJOR out of bounds as the only difference.

Major factor is recognizing it in time.

Hope this helped.

--Chris

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DonSVO · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2005, 02:24:49 PM »

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no house puts down a reverse block today period.

i played on one for a year. i attribute that learning experience to me averaging 20+ pins over on a THS and pissing off everyone i bowled against. iwas a difficult thing for me to learn, but it paid off in the long run.
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funniest thing i have ever read on here:

originally posted by Bjaardker, about if brunswick sells 2nds/blems:

Yeah, they're called Lane #1s....

JUST KIDDING!!!

Willaby Rags · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2005, 04:19:30 PM »

Thanks for all the input guys....you're all really helpful!
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Ryan
Wilmington, DE

stanski · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2005, 05:54:56 PM »

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Most people confuse a relatively flat, long pattern with a reverse block when the first encounter it. You can have 60 units in the middle, with 20 outside, and that is enough to set up an out of bounds if you try to swing the ball much outside 10 board. If the pattern is fresh, that means the last 20 feet are still dry, so when you move in a couple and try to play tighter, the ball jumps high on the back end. With the ability of todays bowlers to move in and play 5th arrow or deeper, a true reverse block is not effective. That is because todays lane machines, as sophisticated as they are, still lay down a symetrical pattern. Therefore if you put more oil outside 10, the right handers could move in super deep and use the left handers out of bounds for hold area through the heads. That is exactly how the guys who became stars in the mega buck tournaments learned to play in the mid 90's.

Or 30 units in the middle and 20 on the outside... you will never be able to play the normal "bounce the ball off the dry and watch em fly" shot from the normal 50 in the middle 5 units outside. I repeat, NO ONE will put down a reverse block unless the machine breaks down. It isn't even very easy to program into modern machines. I have played on flat patterns that people swore were reverse blocks, but they were hardly 40 units inside and 20 units outside. Just because you can't play outside does not mean its a reverse block.
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stanski · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2005, 05:56:47 PM »

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no house puts down a reverse block today period.

i played on one for a year. i attribute that learning experience to me averaging 20+ pins over on a THS and pissing off everyone i bowled against. iwas a difficult thing for me to learn, but it paid off in the long run.
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funniest thing i have ever read on here:

originally posted by Bjaardker, about if brunswick sells 2nds/blems:

Yeah, they're called Lane #1s....

JUST KIDDING!!!

The house would never be in existence if they put a reverse block down after the advent of modern lane machines. No one would bowl there. Second shift lanes might react like a reverse block, but NO house will purposely put down a reverse block for leagues.
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stanski

DonSVO · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2005, 06:18:28 PM »

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I repeat, NO ONE will put down a reverse block unless the machine breaks down. stanski

AMF Euless Lanes. here in Texas. they laid out a reverse block on their ancient wood lanes. I hated it, most guys who didn't like playing deep hated it, and i speculated on the pattern... sure enough, the laneman told me himself there was more units outside than inside. i watched my high-load particles burn up when playing deep, and skid on the outside. but for your sake, we will call it a shot with more oil ouside than inside, and not a reverse block.
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funniest thing i have ever read on here:

originally posted by Bjaardker, about if brunswick sells 2nds/blems:

Yeah, they're called Lane #1s....

JUST KIDDING!!!

MSC2471 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2005, 09:54:20 PM »

My house is definitely a reverse block, and I agree that it's not put down on purpose...the owner has no clue how to set the shims in his older oil machine, so he just puts it in, lets it go....and we see the outside boards flooded and the inside mighty dry.

I've learned to throw the ball more direct, releasing up the back of the ball at a slower speed and usually playing with a heavy oil ball outside. If you feel more comfortable playing deeper inside, you can also take a medium-light to light oil ball and swing 30-10 or 12 (depending on how wet it will be out there). Understand that you won't be throwing super high scores all nights, try to find a line that will keep you into decent spare leaves and you can grind out some good 200-220 games.

Matt

pin-chaser · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2005, 09:54:58 PM »

Best angle of attack is the ones that strikes.
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Willaby Rags · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2005, 04:45:02 PM »

Little update for you all...I talked to the lane man and he told me that he was training a new guy and was showing him all of the different patterns and the reactions (both bowling balls and people) they gave. He verified that it was a reverse block that monday night and promptly apologized for it...I laughed it off and told him it was a wake up call for us all...
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Ryan
Wilmington, DE

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