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Nicanor

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Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« on: May 05, 2010, 12:14:29 PM »
If we only pay $10 to National USBC where does the rest of the money go if you''re paying $20 for a USBC santioning card?  Who pays for awards?  Local or National office?  


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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2010, 05:43:07 PM »
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Paul,

What you stated is not true. The proposal for a dues increase at the Convention two weeks ago came from the field. The USBC Board and staff recommended that it be voted down, and it was. If it had been approved, USBC staff would not have been obligated to implement the dues increase if it felt that the loss in membership would have offset the increased revenue.

Pete Tredwell
USBC Managing Director - Media


Pete, Thank you for the correction and my apologies for the mistake.

So what is the USBC going to do to stem the tide of losing bowlers?  I know locally, we lost over 300 youth bowlers in the Central Maryland association (compared with the year before).

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Pete Tredwell

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2010, 04:24:04 PM »
As you may have seen (or heard about) at Convention, the USBC is currently studying new membership products that will be tested next season and rolled out nationally in the Fall of 2011.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2010, 09:15:45 PM »
Reading through this post and others like it, I have a question for those of you not happy with USBC.

What would your plan be for how to make things better?

A caveat that I have always tried to follow is if we are going to bring up problems we need to bring solutions.

Mark

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2010, 09:34:50 PM »
Is "association manager" the same thing as "association president" or are we talking about the old field rep position?

I've been an association president before. I didn't get paid a thin dime, not that I ever sought pay for it. I did it because I love the sport.

Our local dues at the time went into putting on the local tournament, maintaining the book and paying for the equipment to properly inspect the lanes (meaning, buying tape, etc.). And on that last subject, the tape reader we had took a specific width of tape that conveniently caused it to be about 5x or 10x as expensive as garden-variety tape. Reminded me of the problem on Apollo 13 with the CO2 scrubbers being round in the command module and square in the LEM...

As for the old field reps, I remember looking up an employment ad for that once and the position paid around $32,000, which was more than I was making at the time at my "real" job. I was told by one of our association elders not to even waste my time applying for it, because even with the resume I had at the time, I would not get a call. It would be a very political deal, he told me. I applied anyway, and never heard anything. Had I been hired to do it, I was planning to approach it like an actual full-time job and really do something. The only time I met our field rep -- and I saw him exactly once in about 10 years -- he came to a local center, smoked about a carton of cigarettes in a half hour, told everyone we were doing a ****ty job in his opinion, then informed us we needed to buy him dinner.

My current association, thank God, is much different. We have a dozen or so very helpful volunteers. We give out a wide array of awards, and they're not just a bunch of cheap stuff. I use the pens they give out for high games and series as the pens my clients use to sign contracts. The stuff that's printed on them has led to a few conversations, which has allowed me to recruit people to the sport. Our association puts on multiple tournaments, has a strong relationship between adults and youth in the youth program, and goes way above and beyond.

The old association had some good people, just not enough. The current association is flush with great folks.

The problem with the whole system is that some associations -- and a large percentage of the national/regional organization -- don't want to recruit. Recruiting is hard. It is done face-to-face, and it takes a lot of sweat equity to do it right. There has been a lot of local and national money pi**ed away while the people who needed to be busting hump chose to sit there and do nothing. If that attitude doesn't change, and fast, the USBC will fold down into the BPAA and I don't see that as a good thing at all.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2010, 10:21:54 PM »
Our local USBC is a manager and I believed paid.  We also have a president, but I believe she is not paid.


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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2010, 01:52:02 PM »
Pete, Thank you for the insight!  I look forward to the new changes and hope we can turn the membership numbers around!!

As for the other question, the association manager is like the secretary - they are responsible for all the sanctioning, the awards, the paperwork, etc.  These people get paid for their services.  The association president conducts the association's meetings and does a lot of other work themselves, but this is not a paid position...


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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 02:31:43 PM »
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Pete, Thank you for the insight!  I look forward to the new changes and hope we can turn the membership numbers around!!

As for the other question, the association manager is like the secretary - they are responsible for all the sanctioning, the awards, the paperwork, etc.  These people get paid for their services.  The association president conducts the association's meetings and does a lot of other work themselves, but this is not a paid position...


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duh on my part...I should have remembered the association secretary. And yes, ours was paid.

Jess

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2010, 07:41:33 AM »
find out who the local association president and secy is and ask
I am a local assoc secy we get $16 a card
money goes to $10 to usbc assoc get $6
with that money
I get a small salary of $300 I turned more down I do it for the bowlers
I am not greedy and nobody wants to do it either.
then put in $500 for local assoc tournament
donate  for youth league $100
some expenses for banquet ect $50
we are small assoc at 190 members so with $1140 that leaves about $200
 a year for raining day fund.
so my money is account for
so ask your local officials were money goes
I do a balance at end of season or go to a meeting find out
I have nothing to hide
we just had a assoc next to me I sub in a center there about 1 hour
drive and just found out $10,000 missing from assoc checkbook
secy borrowed it I heard he paid it back.
there were you usbc money goes you could lower your card fee.
later Rex

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2010, 01:35:37 PM »
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As you may have seen (or heard about) at Convention, the USBC is currently studying new membership products that will be tested next season and rolled out nationally in the Fall of 2011.

Pete Tredwell
USBC Managing Director-Media

Pete, I wish you and USBC luck in whatever new products you hint about, but it doesn't seem like anything that has been tried in 20 or 30 years has done anything to stem the tide of lost membership, so what could be significant now, and why hasn't some of those things been tried previously?
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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2010, 01:46:37 PM »
The pool of league bowlers has become more diverse over the years, in terms of their level of competitiveness. We can't expect that the competitive tournament bowler will want the same thing out of USBC as the social recreational bowler. We plan to rectify that situation by providing new membership products that are more targeted. Again, we're still in the research stage, but we can't keep doing the same thing, as we watch membership continue to decline.

Pete Tredwell
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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2010, 01:51:03 PM »
Pete, again I wish you and USBC luck, but it just seems like if there could be a way to reverse membership losses it would have been done sometime in the last 20 or 30 years.
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