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Hamburglar

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Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« on: February 21, 2004, 10:36:37 PM »
This question/topic/idea came to me as I was reading posts on this board regarding 'sandbagging'.

In golf, the USGA requires amateur golfers to use their LOWEST handicap when playing in handicapped events.  For example, a golfer belongs to two different clubs.  At Club A, he has a 7 handicap.  At Club B, he has a 5 handicap.  If he plays in any USGA governed event, he MUST use his 5 handicap in competition.

Should the ABC require a bowler to use his HIGHEST league average in all ABC sanctioned events and leagues for handicapping purposes?

For example...if a bowler bowls in three different leagues and has averages of 183, 186, and 189...should he/she be handicapped based on his/her highest league average of 189 for all leagues?  Or, maybe, have a "house" average which would take into account all games bowled in all leagues and that would be his average, for handicapping purposes, for all leagues/events in which he/she bowls.

Certainly, there are some circumstances that this couldn't/shouldn't be followed like a Sport Bowling league...but for all other "normal" leagues, don't you think this would be a better/more equitable way to handicap bowlers?

I think this would certainly help to limit "sandbagging"...it could never completely be eliminated unless you get rid of handicaps altogher.
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Ishmael

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2004, 08:28:00 PM »
The golf handicap is not intended to be an average as in bowling.  I like to think of it as a measure of the players potential.  It shows how well you can score on a good day.  I'd like to see a similar system used in bowling.  It would make sandbagging much more difficult.
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Kid Jete

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2004, 09:33:14 PM »
In golf we use the GHIN system now which gives you a running total of your handicap from any round of golf that is entered in the database.  You look up the course you played at and enter your score appropriately.  If the course isn't in the database you can manually enter the slope, rating, etc. and the score.  Without a GHIN card the only way you can enter a USGA handicap tournament is to have a letter signed by your local pro stating your handicap and the slope and rating of the course you established it on.

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2004, 10:04:03 PM »
Ishmael has a point here. Example: If you would take a percentage of highest series a bowler score's in a league for a season and use that as their average for tournaments. You might just eliminate sandbagging all together and handicap tournaments might be on a equal playing field. A system based on your scoring potential.
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Kid Jete

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2004, 10:14:42 PM »
It would just be too difficult to have a handicap system in bowling as in golf.  You can't really have a course rating(house rating) in bowling because it is too easy to change the oil pattern.  You can't just go out and change the rating of a course in less than 5 minutes like you could with a lane.  If it was up to me I would eliminate handicapped tournaments in both sports because its just way too easy to sandbag.  I have never entered a handicapped golf tournament(they are almost always team bestball) and expected to be anywhere near the top of the leader board.  You just can't beat a team that has 5 guys with 15+ handicaps shooting actual 72's when you are a scratch golfer.  Same goes with bowling... how can you beat someone getting 80 pins and rolling a 750 series.

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2004, 10:15:00 PM »
1.Absolutely a composite of all averages is the fairest!

2. Sandbagging could never be eliminated, The best sandbaggers are just so good at it!  What can you prove?

3. In golf 1/2 of the scores are thrown out!! Stupid  Wow, this was awesome for me! As a golfer who most of the time scored within a 5 stroke range on my home course if not only 3!!  (mediocre putting great every day striking) I loved to beat the scratch players as the courses got harder.

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2004, 10:28:08 PM »
Difference between Golf and Bowling scores. You can lie with Golf scores. There is a lot of trust placed with people giving their official score. Whether its in tournament or league play. I believe that most people are honest, but I have heard stories where people have adjusted scores to their advantage. I have known guys that play scrambles and use their scores in a scramble as an official round for handicap.
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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2004, 07:37:01 AM »
Sandbagging is as bad in golf as it is in bowling. Golf may have even more sandbaggers.

The biggest difference I see around here is that some golfers will cheat to lower their handicap so that they can enter certain events that require handicaps less than some number. It takes a 2.3 handicap index or less to enter our state amateur. I’ve seen players who refuse to turn in high scores so that their handicap remains below this. They will suddenly start playing winter rules on the last hole to make the score invalid, etc.  

Few amateur golf tournaments around here use USGA handicaps. The players are grouped into flights based on qualifying scores. In the Championship flight and First flight all the participants are trying their best.  But below that it is sandbagger heaven. You will see guys shoot 95 - 95 in qualifying then 79 - 75 the next week. These guys know the system. What it takes to get bumped out of a flight and play it to the hilt each year. You see the same names every year.

This would be like bowling a tournament and your average for the tournament was the first 3 games thrown. You would then be placed with other bowlers of similar scores and you would bowl them scratch the next 3 games to see who won.

As long as there is money to be won, participants will cheat to gain an advantage. That can be cheating to get additional handicap or cheating at the game itself.

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Re: Should bowling follow golf's lead as far as handicapping?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2004, 11:27:29 AM »
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For example...if a bowler bowls in three different leagues and has averages of 183, 186, and 189...should he/she be handicapped based on his/her highest league average of 189 for all leagues? Or, maybe, have a "house" average which would take into account all games bowled in all leagues and that would be his average, for handicapping purposes, for all leagues/events in which he/she bowls.


This would be very hard to track week to week, and would require someone to do a lot of paperwork to figure out where all of their team bowlers bowl and update their avg week to week for their leagues.
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