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Here is the scenario that has happened in my area to some bowlers I know.

A bowler gets to improving in THS league the past couple years. Average jumps from 170 to just over 200. Throws several 700 series in local tournament and wins alot of money. Thinks they are ready for something more serious. Goes to a tournament out of the area and comes in last place. Doesn't bowl any where close to what they do back home. Confidence is crushed and gives up tournament bowling.

I am sure this has happened since tournament bowling started but do you think it is occurring more today?

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 09:31:49 AM »
It is a huge Ego buster when the improving house guy gets whacked ona tough pattern.  It has happened to all of us at some point.  The real key is realizing what in your game needs improving and making it happen.  There is nothing that replaces the experience of bowling in tournaments away from your home house.  You have to understand what happened and learn from it.  That is the real improvement and what makes the good bowlers great.  Thats why people always say THS average does not matter.  What do you do on a big stage.

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 09:53:56 AM »
THS boasts egos - period. Many players I know rarely leave their THS turf, probably fearing that truth catches up with them when they play in a different house or even a flat pattern (if they know at all what this is...). Well, personal dreams quickly burst in the harsh environment of flat or quickly changing patterns. Shock therapy, sort of, but when a player becomes frustrated or loses self-confidence because of such an experience, the mental game needs IMHO a huge improvement and a reality check.

That's also the reason why I personally like to do training in various local houses and invest time and money into tournaments. I know I cannot win (yet), but this way I am pretty competitive in such situations - recently I took part in a national tournament, and I ended up 29th place among 147 starters. Not bad, training of this scenario pays definitively out!
Besides, our German official leagues are traveling formats. You never know what you encounter, and playing (well) in foreign houses is always a great challenge.

You need to expose yourself to this situation to learn - and better do it when it does not count, and try to play well and learn, not necessarily win.
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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 09:56:51 AM »
I don't think it has had a negative impact on bowling in that sense, since the vast majority of bolwers don't participate in many tournaments.

It happens to most of us the first few times we try, and then we tend to wise up and prepare diferently for the tougher shots.

Some bowl tournaments with a realistic chance of winning. Some bowl them because they enjoy the "challenge" and want to get better on more demanding conditions. And some will bowl them once, get frustrated, and vow to never return again.  The last category may be a league bowler who just wants to have fun and not be "tested" with anything other than a THS.

None of the above scenarios is bad for bowling in my opinion, because if they show up week after week paying their dues and having fun, how can that hurt bowling?


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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 10:05:15 AM »
How is that new?

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 10:29:16 AM »
You just have to practice as much on different conditions, with different releases, different speeds, different equipment etc and tournament bowling will be a non issue. One big problem is bowlers with ballooned house shot averages, have to use those averages in tournament condition shots. Usually not a good thing !
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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 10:59:12 AM »
I've seen several temper tantrums thrown at tournaments that weren't a on a THS ... and I definitely think that has a negative effect on bowling in general.  But overall, I think it's a learning experience and in that regard it's a good thing.

It depends on the bowler and their understanding of where they're at in regards to skill level as well as ego.  When I say skill level, I'm talking less about their average ... and more about  if they're mentally prepared for a challenge.

I used to bowl in the Top Gun tournaments that Woody Demma held at the Stardust in Addison IL (and a few other places). The Top Gun was a handicap tournament and yeah, sometimes I made it past round one due to my handicap ... but I usually got knocked out in the 2nd round.

I was that league bowler who was improving and winning more often on the THS at the alleys I bowled at. When I heard about Woody's tournaments I thought to myself, "I gotta check this out."

The first time I went, game one was really embarrassing - like a 124 or something. Game 2 & 3 improved but it was frustrating. But, it made me pay attention to what the higher scoring bowlers were doing and I learned things.

I kept going and started learning to adjust my game. I never won the tournament, but ended up making it to the final 5 twice over the 3 seasons I participated. I stopped attending due to injury.

Yeah, my ego got a lil' bruised at times ... but I always learned something new or improved a certain aspect of my game and that's what kept me goin' back.

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 12:20:48 PM »
This happens not only in tournaments but also in league play on THS patterns of other centers.I bowl in 4 centers and in one of them the THS pattern is so slick that I cannot hook the ball as much as in the other centers. It's almost like a PBA pattern. As a result, my average is 15 points lower at that center. I talked to the manager of that center and he told me that they purposely keep tough conditions so that bowlers of that center will qualify with a lower average for team tournaments at other centers where there is a cap for the total average of the team.

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 12:47:26 PM »
In my area the ABT was putting down house shots. When people were getting killed against other regions in the state/national level for ABT, they started putting down sport shots.
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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 01:13:24 PM »
I would say it really depends on what the bowler makes of it.  If they realize that their game needs some fine tuning on a tougher shot, then more power to them.  Experience is a great teacher.  But if they get discouraged, then that's a shame.  Expecting to blow away each and every pattern is unrealistic, and will hurt only themselves in the future.
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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 05:35:46 PM »
I personally don't like tournaments bowled on THS. When I go to a tournament, I want a challenge. State championship tournaments don't need to be on a wall, but that's what I've seen every year I've bowled in ours for years. Tournaments in every other sport mean more competition and more difficulty, so why not bowling?

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2008, 01:22:16 AM »
Every season I try to challenge the crap out of myself. This summer by entering into my first pba exp. league at a house I've never have or will bowl ths.  Anyways after two weeks I was the worst bowler at 157 and finish week four at 168 moving up the loser ladder.  I know that I put too much trust in myself plus I have never put as much effor on removing oil and preparing my bowling balls like I do for the pba shots WOW!  In fact I convinced two buddies, whom run around the tourneys, to try it. One buddy quit after one week averaging in the 160's.  So like the OP he's trapped in his THS world. The other friend doing mid 170's like me is having a blast. We are finally being able to see these shots and have a chance to throw new lines and see how to move off standard lines.  I truely can't see someone not become a better house bowler even if they swear off the pba shots after one league.  It's like getting spidey sense for finding the best line.  I've bowled and won a few local tourneys but would trade a win or two for a pba league each year.  I admit tough shots aren't what everyone wants to wrap their brains around to just find the pocket and get a 4-10 split by hitting the pocket. I think some people like to show off their consistancy more than their adaptability.

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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2008, 06:06:53 AM »
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It depends on the bowler and their understanding of where they're at in regards to skill level as well as ego.  When I say skill level, I'm talking less about their average ... and more about  if they're mentally prepared for a challenge.

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Yeah, my ego got a lil' bruised at times ... but I always learned something new or improved a certain aspect of my game and that's what kept me goin' back.


Very good statements - I am 100% with you on this.

Attitude an what I call "lane intelligence" is far more important on foreign turf than a (boasted) book average. That's why I changed my attitude for league or tournament situations - I try to play well, read the lane and adjust my game as good as I can. If I make a mistake, I can live very well with a bad result if I know what went wrong, or understand how the situation came to be. That's also more satisfying and motivating than just looking at results - this leads to those players who only enter contests in houses they know, and where they stand a chance to duplicate thier standard house game. But that's IMO not "real bowling". If you want to know what you are able to achieve in this sport, seek the challenge and accept the results - and learn!
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Re: Has the THS been an negative impact on tournament bowling.
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2008, 06:57:12 AM »
The THS has made it so that I am no longer willing to bowl handicap events. With no regulation of house shots, it's too easy to get jobbed. For instance, a good friend of mine from this site, "O", bowls in a house that rotates four patterns during the league season, and none of those patterns are as easy as a THS. When all is said and done, he and several other good bowlers usually end up averaging 190-200. Meanwhile, I'm whacking our joke house shot to the tune of 215-220. So, when we meet up at a handicap tourney, I'm giving him pins even though he is probably even more prepared than I am. Simply put, that sucks, and that's not even taking into consideration people who take advantage of the system by intentionally bagging.

So, besides what all of you have mentioned regarding the lack of preparedness if you only bowl on house shots, there's also the unfair handicapping practices. That's why I picked up my regional PBA card. I'd rather learn how to bowl on tougher patterns and be a donator out there than fall victim to a bunch of BS.
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