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Nicanor

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Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« on: March 13, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »
the break or cost savings that Brunswick has seen with its move to Mexico.  In mexico you can have labor alone that is one quarter the labor rate herein the US and also all the laws and rules with regards to safety and enviornment is much less restrictive saving a lot of money.

Has any of that savings been passed on to us the consumer?

I don't think so.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2009, 09:04:18 AM »
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2009, 09:09:40 AM »
you really didn't think we would see the price go down did you?  the extra savings were for them not us.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2009, 09:23:52 AM »
The United States should pass laws to increase the tax on imported goods so as to off set the cost of labor.  It's impossible for a company that resides in the United States to compete with the labor wages of Mexico or China.  For example, let's say union scale for a factory worker in the United States is 20 dollars per hour and non union scale is 12 dollars per hour.  In Mexico that same worker is getting 5 dollars and hour if their lucky!  In China that same worker is getting 10 dollars per day of work.  

How can the United States compete with that?  Easy, increase the import tax to an amount that off sets the cost of labor.  Make it more profitable to manufacture in the United States rather than out of the country.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 09:45:24 AM »
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How can the United States compete with that? Easy, increase the import tax to an amount that off sets the cost of labor. Make it more profitable to manufacture in the United States rather than out of the country.
 


Good idea but then, that country, would increase import taxes for the goods from us to them as well. Just as the unions want more money, then the cost of a car goes up. It's a circle. Some savings may well have been eaten up on shipping back to the uS, hard to say.

Not arguing about cheaper labor/cost to make a ball should have seen a small drop in US prices but it seems to always line to pockets of the top brass, seems to me.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2009, 11:01:59 AM »
The real issue is the amount of trade allowed. We basicially have an open trade agreement on our end that says, bring it all. But we are limited to exporting just a fraction of what we import.

BTW, since the company in question is US based, they would not have to have a import tax anyway.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2009, 11:58:27 AM »
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The United States should pass laws to increase the tax on imported goods so as to off set the cost of labor.  It's impossible for a company that resides in the United States to compete with the labor wages of Mexico or China.  For example, let's say union scale for a factory worker in the United States is 20 dollars per hour and non union scale is 12 dollars per hour.  In Mexico that same worker is getting 5 dollars and hour if their lucky!  In China that same worker is getting 10 dollars per day of work.  

How can the United States compete with that?  Easy, increase the import tax to an amount that off sets the cost of labor.  Make it more profitable to manufacture in the United States rather than out of the country.


In my eyes the unions are PART of the problem with companies going out of the USA to do business. I am not saying they are completely at fault but they share the blame. I work for a company that would rather close its doors instead of dealing with a union.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 12:10:56 PM »
Exactly why you shouldn't buy brunswick bowling balls
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 01:20:56 PM »
I mistakenly bought a Morich from BB.com last yr.  Forgot they were made at Bruns.  But the bright side was it was heavily discounted so they didn't make top dollar on it.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2009, 01:37:59 PM »
I don’t know about bowling balls but most products the bulk of the cost is in the materials.

The cheaper labor might have given them less than $5 per unit savings particularly once additional transportation costs are added in.

For a company that is probably on the brink of bankruptcy making a couple extra dollars per ball could be the difference between surviving or not.

If they offered the exact same ball, one made in Mexico and one made in the USA, but the USA ball cost $5 more would you buy the USA ball?

I bet most of the bottom price feeders on the internet would buy the Mexico ball.

I don’t agree with them moving to Mexico, much the same way I feel about Lind’s moving. But Americans constant search for the bargain has driven companies to find the cheapest supply chain.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2009, 01:43:04 PM »
+1 Big B no mas

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I refuse to buy B since the move.  They lost sales to my wife, and two son's also.
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KingofKings696

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2009, 02:05:03 PM »
Look at the quality though you buy American and the quality is usually better. For instance since GM went to Mexico the quality went down and the value of the cars did as well if you notice the price of say a 1500 back when they were made American and once they switched to Mexico you may notice that the price hasnt plummited near as much of course we are speaking relative to their starting value and the times. Lastly Brunswick will only end up hurting themselves as GM and other companies have and when they figure this out they will come back or end up like GM and those companies trying to scrounge up any dollar to stay afloat they can. Heck look at Toyota as much as I dont like foreign cars these cars seem to be up there on reliability why we have more skilled workers building them and it simply comes down to the value of your labor... If you pay me 8 dollars to do the job Ill do it but if you give me 16 dollars for the same job you will see a night and day difference in quality, speed, precision and the sort.
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sdbowler

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2009, 02:06:07 PM »
I will keep buying Brunswick due to the perfomance they have for me. Yeah the move bothers me that American workers are out of work. However look at everything we use on a daily basis. Most stuff is not made in the USA anymore. I am willing to beat that the clothes you are wearing were made in countries other then the USA. I am so sick and tired of you guys complaining that they are making equipment in Mexico. What would you do if Ebonite moves everything south of the border? Let's put the same question towards Storm? Grow up and act like adults. What kind of cars do you guys drive? Are they 100% completely made in the USA? Most cars have products that were made outside of the USA. Think about it.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2009, 02:12:07 PM »
I dont think it was about discounting the price of bowling balls. I believe it was about remaining viable in the market. BigB felt it was neccesary to move the ops out of the US and go into a cheaper labor market to continue as a company.

Good move? Maybe, maybe not.

Neccesary move? Definately.

I also haven't matched up with anything lately coming off those casting machines. I punched up a Smash Zone, but only threw it on 1/2 a game on a broken down THS that the Sahara was too much for.

Just maybe it's the lane conditions, but I personally haven't seen the versitily that BigB was known for since the move south of the boarder. The new covers, for me anyways, have been less than impressive.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2009, 02:16:21 PM »
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+1 Grande B no mas

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I refuse to buy B since the move.  They lost sales to my wife, and two son's also.
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