Author Topic: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen (Read 18386 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** March 13, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »

the break or cost savings that Brunswick has seen with its move to Mexico. In mexico you can have labor alone that is one quarter the labor rate herein the US and also all the laws and rules with regards to safety and enviornment is much less restrictive saving a lot of money.

Has any of that savings been passed on to us the consumer?

I don't think so.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

jls · « **Reply #106 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:34:57 PM »

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I'm sorry but according to Taylor Made's website, their North American headquarters is in Carlsbad California and I know they do/did make golf clubs there becaus someone that worked for me in the Navy worked there part time in 2004.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Every Taylormade club I have owned since 1995, has had a made in China sticker on it.
Again, they do assemble the clubs there. But the parts are made in China.

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jls

sdbowler · « **Reply #107 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:08:01 PM »

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I'm sorry but according to Taylor Made's website, their North American headquarters is in Carlsbad California and I know they do/did make golf clubs there becaus someone that worked for me in the Navy worked there part time in 2004.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Every Taylormade club I have owned since 1995, has had a made in China sticker on it.
Again, they do assemble the clubs there. But the parts are made in China.

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jls

Much like the US auto companies. Many parts are from out of the country. Final assembly may take place in the US but many parts are from Canada, Japan, etc. While I was working for a credit card call center back in Sioux Falls they opened at least one possibly two call centers over in India. Many places that use call centers are going overseas as well for their help. Are you going to stop using credit cards that do this then? How about computer companies that have tech centers overseas? I have stated already that I hate Americans loosing jobs to people outside of the US but it is happening it is a fact of life. No matter what we do here it will not stop so continue to b!tch and moan about it.
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #108 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:17:43 PM »

I bought some poker table cup holders last week for $13, yeah they happened to be made in the USA by sheer randomness... I felt patriotic.

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102101 · « **Reply #109 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:56:03 PM »

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I bought some poker table cup holders last week for $13, yeah they happened to be made in the USA by sheer randomness... I felt patriotic.

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I know there was some sarcasm in your statement Nick but good for you. You purchased products from a company that manufactures in the U.S.A. and employees Americans, that in turn will hopefully allow those Americans to purchase products in your proshop. Without their jobs they surely wouldn't be able to afford to purchase those items they buy from you.
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BrunsNick · « **Reply #110 on:** March 21, 2009, 04:19:40 PM »

Yep, good for me!

Not so good for the American workers of Ebonite/C300(San Antonio)/Storm who have been laid off in the not so distant past.

Buy what you want, I'd throw and sell Brunswick equipment if I wasn't on staff. The durability and performance out of these new bowling balls is far and above beyond any other company.

Now pardon me while I roll up the sleeves on my Chinese made CK sweater while driving my new 100% Japanese made S2K, fueled by foreign oil to go home and watch my ridiculously large Sony TV.

Bowling is SMALL BUSINESS.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #111 on:** March 21, 2009, 05:04:54 PM »

I'm sorry but doesn't it make sense to talk and think about it now? Should we continue to let so many of our jobs go overseas without even looking at the long range effects? Agreed, even credit cardds companies are moving the call centers out of country. So just say goodbye to those companies and jobs? Say good for you, I'm glad your living the american dream by taking our money to your home country. I mentioned the unemployment rate here in California and in San Diego county. Does that not scream "look at me"?

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

102101 · « **Reply #112 on:** March 21, 2009, 07:45:05 PM »

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Yep, good for me!

Not so good for the American workers of Ebonite/C300(San Antonio)/Storm who have been laid off in the not so distant past.

Buy what you want, I'd throw and sell Brunswick equipment if I wasn't on staff. The durability and performance out of these new bowling balls is far and above beyond any other company.

Now pardon me while I roll up the sleeves on my Chinese made CK sweater while driving my new 100% Japanese made S2K, fueled by foreign oil to go home and watch my ridiculously large Sony TV.

Bowling is SMALL BUSINESS.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. BrunsNick
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-09
http://www.BrunsNick.com
http://www.AskTheBowler.com
http://www.BigBapparel.com
Friends don't let friends drink the Kool-Aid!

There is a huge difference between losing your job because the company was sold and moved and being laid off due to lower sales caused by a slow economy compared to a company like brunswick that closed their plant and moved to Mexico. Do what you want Nick, but when so many Americans are out of work and they can't afford anything but the necessities then your proshop like many other businesses will be affected. Wait maybe the Mexicans employed by brunswick will come to your shop and purchase their equipment.
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Zef Olantar · « **Reply #113 on:** March 21, 2009, 11:14:05 PM »

I really think everything that needs to be said about this topic has been said already.

The fact remains that many won't buy Brunswick balls anymore because they moved their production to Mexico....and they're entitled to their opinion.

As are those that love Brunswick equipment and will continue buying it.

There are merits to both sides, so let's just move on...shall we?

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Nicanor · « **Reply #114 on:** March 21, 2009, 11:19:38 PM »

I don't disagree Zef, I just thought it was a good topic. Not just because of Brunswick moving to Mexico was bad for the US in a small way, but for the larger picture of companies moving out of country and the need for the stimulus package to try and save companies and jobs here in the US.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

102101 · « **Reply #115 on:** March 22, 2009, 11:43:25 AM »

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You guys can continue to focus on the negative if you want. 10% unemployment? That means that 90% of the population still has a job! Nick's post was perfect in the way it illustrated the hypocrisy and ludicrousness of the American public ans they throw themselves to the ground and wail "what will we do, what will we do" as they lament the vanishing of the American way of life. Exactly what is vanishing? Do you have fuel for your vehicles? Do you have food on your table? Clothes on your back? I could go on and on but you get the point. UNLESS you are willing to run for office and try to make changes (before you get corrupted)or give it all up and go native and live off the land, you're just blowing smoke! I would love to hear from the most vociferous defenders of the American corporations staying here in the States no matter how much they are bleeding red ink to list the community outreach programs, food banks, and other VOLUNTEER groups that are in place to help the down-trodden, displaced american workers get by. I'm especially calling out 102101 on this.

Wanna check out a song that makes my point? Check out Dennis Leary's "I'm an Azzwhole". So very true.

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LOL Thank you CRD for your insight, for your information I am on the city council in my town and yes I do see and know first hand the effects of businesses packing up and leaving a community. Maybe you should check out the effects on a community before you "call someone out". You can continue to defend companies that move to other countries costing Americans their job and stick your head farther in the sand thinking the country has no problems, while those of us that care work on fixing the problems. End of conversation with you as you will just continue to throw jabs and insults.
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Steven · « **Reply #116 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:17:12 PM »

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and stick your head farther in the sand....

102101: LOL. Welcome to my world in interacting with CRD.

Outsourcing and offshoring have been happening for years, but with the current financial crisis, the effects will be even more painfully felt and affect and hit a larger spectrum of workers.

In the IT world within the Southern California area, I just heard last week that Sony Pictures is outsourcing to a company in India, and Kaiser Permanente to IBM (which will in turn sub-contract out of the US). This follows Warner Brothers Pictures announcing India outsourcing a few months back. That means possibly hundreds of jobs in the 75-100K range will disappear locally.

The irony is that many companies who jumped on the outsourcing bandwagon several years ago are now in the processing of taking the work back in. When you get beyond the hype and supposed cost savings, it's really a losing proposition when it comes to pulling it off. Unfortunately, these companies will have to learn the hard way. And the disruption to lives and careers of those displaced will in many cases be irreparable.

I wonder how many of those thrown on the street live in the Santa Clarita Valley and will no longer be buying balls from Nick anymore?

102101 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 22, 2009, 03:45:35 PM »

Steven if there is one thing I have learned in my years of public service it is most of the people just say what they think or believe whether they know what they are talking about or not. Very much like what goes on here at BR. Have a great day.
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jls · « **Reply #118 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:24:07 AM »

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I just got done looking up Callaway golf clubs and they are also made in Carlsbad California and currently has job openings for 12. I'm sure they make golf clubs around the world, but they both still make clubs here in the US.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Sir, if you were to call callaway at 800-588-9836, they would tell you that MOST of their clubs, The iron heads, and driver heads, are made overseas. But most are assembled here in the US.

The same thing would be true with just about every major brand.

Every Taylor Club I own and Every Cleveland club I own, was made in China.

Even Ping now makes some of their models overseas, not all... some.

If you were to call Titleist, they would say they are made in the China theater.... in that area.

I believe the reason that this is not such a big deal to golfers is that many golfers either don't know this or care.

However Brunswick's move is widely know by just about all serious bowlers.
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jls

Nicanor · « **Reply #119 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:29:38 AM »

I don't golf so I don't know the particulars. I just know there is a Callaway and Taylor Made here in CA. So golf clubs are mostly made overseas. More jobs that left the US. Helps make my point.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

jls · « **Reply #120 on:** March 23, 2009, 11:49:10 AM »

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I don't golf so I don't know the particulars. I just know there is a Callaway and Taylor Made here in CA. So golf clubs are mostly made overseas. More jobs that left the US. Helps make my point.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Yes it does make your point. And my point is this. You know and I know that the reason things are made overseas is that the COST is lower. Therefore it only makes sense that these big golf companies make the parts for their clubs overseas. Now as for your friend that worked at Taylor or Callaway, Yes they do build the clubs there!!!!!! They take all the parts, iron heads, driver heads, etc, the shafts and the grips and assemble the clubs here.

Somewhere around 1998 or 1999, I was watching one of those programs like 20-20, or 48 hours. It was in the summer so there wasn't much on TV. The program was all about major brand golf clubs being made in China.

Now after watching this program, I decided to go look at my Taylor Ti driver, My Taylor Ti 11 driver. Because, no way my Taylors are made in China.... Ya right. I was floored when I looked at the bottom of the shaft and saw the little clear label that said, Made In China.
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