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Nicanor

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Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« on: March 13, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »
the break or cost savings that Brunswick has seen with its move to Mexico.  In mexico you can have labor alone that is one quarter the labor rate herein the US and also all the laws and rules with regards to safety and enviornment is much less restrictive saving a lot of money.

Has any of that savings been passed on to us the consumer?

I don't think so.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2009, 01:31:59 PM »
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The coverstocks are still provided by American companies (Ashland for Polyester & Bayer for Urethane). The equipment is engineered & tested in Muskegon. Sorry for the rant.

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Not to nit pick, but Bayer is a German company.  They have many plants, but the headquarters are in Leverkusen, Germany.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2009, 04:41:30 PM »
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The coverstocks are still provided by American companies (Ashland for Polyester & Bayer for Urethane). The equipment is engineered & tested in Muskegon. Sorry for the rant.

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Not to nit pick, but Bayer is a German company.  They have many plants, but the headquarters are in Leverkusen, Germany.
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I stand corrected.

Quite honestly though, how many of us on here knew that before you mentioned it?

I had forgotten about that.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2009, 05:37:53 PM »
Well, I did.  Of course, I work for a competing German owned company.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2009, 07:49:38 PM »
Of course not everything produced is going to be made in USA.  But I try my best when I have options to buy the American made product.  Clothing is hard to find made in US.  But my Ford F-250 is not only made in US, it is a US owned company.  Now there may be parts of it made overseas.  I can't help that.  I can only control the stuff I do know.  I look at labels every time I buy, & as long as the price isn't too high, I'll choose made in US every time.  So, that means I'll never buy another Brunswick ball as long as there's US made bowling balls.  Sorry, but that's just me & my "business decision".
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2009, 08:20:11 PM »
And if more people had that same idea, our economy would be much better then it is today.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2009, 11:38:17 PM »
One thing that I don't think was mentioned was the cost of building a plant in the US for the purpose of producing bowling balls.  Thought I read awhile ago that there are many EPA restrictions concerning the chemicals and processes of producing bowling balls.  The current factories have some "grandfather" clauses or something.  I think this is why so many plastic balls are made overseas now, there are not many if any environmental restrictions in these other countries.  IMO, that is why I still consider them "Third World" countries.  You can put lipstick on a pig, but.....


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2009, 08:50:46 AM »
So now the stimulus package/bailout is about $1.2 trillion dollars.  How many more companies like Brunswick do you want to see leave the US for countries like Mexico so the companies can improve/increase their profit margin?


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2009, 10:58:57 AM »
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How thick are the B coverstock's?

I recently won a Storm Virtual Gravity in a raffle.  When we punched it up, we were amazed at the thickness of the coverstock.  It was a good 5/8" before the filler was found.

Good luck finding that in a Mexican made ball!



My Mexican made Red Zone is 1/2" thick. The same as the two Hammers I have and thicker than the San Antonio made Track Desert Heat I have.

Not sure what you are trying to prove here with that extra 1/8"

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2009, 02:48:00 PM »
I respect your opinion. But just let me throw this out there one more time.

You have a Ford F-250. Which is assembled in the U.S. But 35%-40% of the parts of that vehicle are made outside the U.S. But you are supporting an American based company.

Brunswick bowling balls are made from American made raw materials, on processing equipment made in Grand Rapids, MI USA. Designed & tested by Americans in Muskegon, MI USA. And Brunswick's corporate offices are in Lake Forest, Ill. With the bowling division located in Muskegon, MI.

And for Nicanor, Brunswick's decision to move manufacturing to Mexico was made WAY before there was any kind of bailout/stimulus/incentive package's available. From my recollection, the state of Michigan offered little in the way of incentives to keep Brunswick from moving manufacturing to Mexico. I could be wrong on this, but that is what I recall.

And, as I stated previously, Brunswick's move to Mexico was NOT to improve/increase profits. The move was made so there is a possibility to MAKE A PROFIT.

Brunswick, or any other company for that matter, is in business to make money. At that time of the decision to move Brunswick manufacturing to Mexico, Corporate felt that moving the manufacturing to Mexico was the best option, at that time, for Brunswick to continue in the bowling ball business. Without the move, it is VERY POSSIBLE that Brunswick would have stopped manufacturing bowling balls altogether. So while it is sad that approx. 100 Americans lost their job, it would have been even a sadder situation if over 200 Americans would have lost their jobs.

In conclussion, if you are not buying Brunswick because you don't think they match up to your game, that's fine. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But of you are not buying Brunswick because they moved manufacting to Mexico, just remember, you could be costing even more AMERICANS their jobs.

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Of course not everything produced is going to be made in USA.  But I try my best when I have options to buy the American made product.  Clothing is hard to find made in US.  But my Ford F-250 is not only made in US, it is a US owned company.  Now there may be parts of it made overseas.  I can't help that.  I can only control the stuff I do know.  I look at labels every time I buy, & as long as the price isn't too high, I'll choose made in US every time.  So, that means I'll never buy another Brunswick ball as long as there's US made bowling balls.  Sorry, but that's just me & my "business decision".
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2009, 04:58:12 PM »
I have a couple of questions for you guys bashing Brunswick for moving to Mexico.
Would you rather have one less company to use?
Would you be saying the same stuff if Ebonite or Storm moved to Mexico?

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2009, 05:14:57 PM »
The point is I would be saying that for any company that left the US to go to a country like Mexico just to impreove their profit margin.

How would all the people in the Detroit area if the big three moved their operations to Mexico?

I realize the stimulus/bailout initiative today has nothing to do with Brunswick's move to Mexico.  But thats ok because its corporation and its a company trying to stay afloat or increase their profit margin. So answer the question that all you Bruswick supporters are elluding  "What if many of our US companies started to move thier business out of the US?"

I try to support american products the best I ca realizing that automobiles are never 100% made in the US.  but we should do all we can to keep our businesses here in the US.

 

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2009, 05:49:16 PM »
What about when non-US companies move operations here?  This is a global economy, we're seeing it more and more.  

Honda has 4 plants in my state.  They employ my family, neighbors and friends.  Its better for my local economy to buy a Honda rather than a Chrysler.  Not to mention the fact that Chrysler builds an utter turd of a car, and Honda's run forever.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2009, 05:57:08 PM »
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What about when non-US companies move operations here?  This is a global economy, we're seeing it more and more.  

Honda has 4 plants in my state.  They employ my family, neighbors and friends.  Its better for my local economy to buy a Honda rather than a Chrysler.  Not to mention the fact that Chrysler builds an utter turd of a car, and Honda's run forever.




Good points sir.  And BTW,  Lane one is made in Texas, which will soon  be Mexcio.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2009, 06:05:38 PM »
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The point is I would be saying that for any company that left the US to go to a country like Mexico just to impreove their profit margin.

How would all the people in the Detroit area if the big three moved their operations to Mexico?

I realize the stimulus/bailout initiative today has nothing to do with Brunswick's move to Mexico.  But thats ok because its corporation and its a company trying to stay afloat or increase their profit margin. So answer the question that all you Bruswick supporters are elluding  "What if many of our US companies started to move thier business out of the US?"

I try to support american products the best I ca realizing that automobiles are never 100% made in the US.  but we should do all we can to keep our businesses here in the US.

 

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Very well stated Nicanor, obviously the more companies that move their operations and or manufacturing overseas or out of the country cost Americans jobs. When Americans lose their job they are unable to purchase anything but bare necessities and at times even that is tough to do. Sure they have unemployment benefits coming but what happens if there are no jobs available when their benefits run out? They become a for lack of a better word become a burden on the welfare system,(don't get me started on welfare) all because no jobs are available. Some may say work is always available at McDonalds or Wal-Mart but when much of the population has to work at lower paying jobs they will be in the same situation of not being able to afford nothing but the bare necessities so business will be down at Wal-Mart & McDonalds also therefore leading to more layoffs. There is no doubt Brunswick is in business to make a profit, that is what being in business is about but at the same time poor management is what caused Brunswick to get into trouble and move to Mexico. It is pretty obvious that the more Americans that are working the stronger and healthier the economy is. The way I see it 900 Global and its brands, Storm and its brands, Ebonite and its brands, Visionary, Lane#1 or any other company that still employ American workers make for a stronger America. That in turn makes for a better situation for all Americans. That is just the tip of the iceberg one example to think about, what happens to communities and their infrastructure due to Americans being out of work. Sure there are times that everyone has to purchase things made in China or other places because there are no options, but in this case there are American companies that employ American citizens that produce great bowling equipment. The next company or corporation that moves to Mexico or overseas might have an effect on you or someone you know or care about. Think about it.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2009, 07:10:35 PM »
Shoot,  I know I can't spell(:

I keep this subject open and replying to it because I think the concept of this post is important.

Men and women about my age and older who are retired (I'm 54) might not see the ramifications of so many companies moving out of country.

Men and women who are younger about 18-26 might not see the problem of companies moving out of country.

But who really will feel it is the young man or woman from about 26-62 will feel it because they start having kids, kids growing out of clothes fast, eating more, driving cars, going to college and anything in between.

You already see how the government is restructing retirement plans.  companies ar going to do the same if they even offer a retirement plan and if they do, you'll grovel most of your employment life so they don't get rid of you before you qualify for retirement or move the company out of country.


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