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Nicanor · « **on:** March 13, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »

the break or cost savings that Brunswick has seen with its move to Mexico. In mexico you can have labor alone that is one quarter the labor rate herein the US and also all the laws and rules with regards to safety and enviornment is much less restrictive saving a lot of money.

Has any of that savings been passed on to us the consumer?

I don't think so.

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Dannyboy · « **Reply #91 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:15:37 PM »

I consider myself on my own when it comes to retirement. My 401(k) will be my retirement, I doubt I'll get any Social Security money to speak of. The wife has a government pension, which will probably get ruined by some politician.

Nicanor · « **Reply #92 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:18:18 PM »

Who said they bought Honda to the US? And Toyota also. Now what place on this earth has a higher pay scale then the US? Much bigger? you got it, Japan.

In the case of Japan though like I mentio9ned in another post, they have cross world shipping to add to thier cost of a car, plus the extremely high hourly wage not to mention that they have very little land for infrastructure.

Now you men and women who have young children and those who want children need to look way down the road about our work industry. Where will we be? As it is children are living longer and longer with their parents even sometimes after getting married. Many who could stand to live at home anymore are in the military.

So defend Brunswick and any company that wants to follow them out the country, but look down the road and fairly think where our economy is going to rebound if the jobs keep going away. You think Brunswick would have gone under, I think they would have restuctured, made great products to compete with the ball market still here in the US.

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Nicanor · « **Reply #93 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »

Dannyboy,

Its great that your wife has a government retirement fund and I hope your 401K stays healthy. Now how many of us do you think are that lucky. how many of our children and grandchildren will be that lucky?

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Dannyboy · « **Reply #94 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:28:17 PM »

Everyone will have to plan from a young age. I'm 35, I seriously doubt SS will do much for me in 30+ years.

But I've been saving 10% of my money in my 401(k) for 11 years now, once I got my first real job. 30 more years of saving and I'll have a nice nest egg. Its just the way things are.

Nicanor · « **Reply #95 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:43:30 PM »

Good website CRD but it shows that Japan does pay their emplyees more then in the US. Very close though I agree. But then you have to add in shipping.

Look at what you want, especially with our young. Where will their employment oppurtunities gonig to be if we don't do something to keep companies from jumping ship.

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Nicanor · « **Reply #96 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:08:50 AM »

and you don't things are getting worse?

California's unemployment rate is up to 10.5% and San Diego County has an unemployment rate of 8.8 percent.

So continue to let those companies move out of country. We'll find another way to handle the lack of jobs.

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Edited on 3/21/2009 9:41 AM

sdbowler · « **Reply #97 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:08:32 PM »

There are things outthere causing unemployment other then companies moving out of the country. Good ol greed is causing a lot of problems in the US right now. Every single person thinks they should be getting paid more then they are. Take for example the woman getting a divorce that is saying $53K a week is not enough. That is more then a lot of families make a year. I have said plenty of times that I hate the fact that Brunswick moved out of the country but what can I do about it. The few balls I buy a year I am sure they won't notice if I don't buy. The moved happened a couple of years ago. I think it is time to grow up and get over it.
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jls · « **Reply #98 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:14:21 PM »

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There are things outthere causing unemployment other then companies moving out of the country. Good ol greed is causing a lot of problems in the US right now. Every single person thinks they should be getting paid more then they are. Take for example the woman getting a divorce that is saying $53K a week is not enough. That is more then a lot of families make a year. I have said plenty of times that I hate the fact that Brunswick moved out of the country but what can I do about it. The few balls I buy a year I am sure they won't notice if I don't buy. The moved happened a couple of years ago. I think it is time to grow up and get over it.
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Hey, most golf clubs are made in or near China. Have been made there since the mid 90's. Golfers don't seem to make an issue about it.

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Nicanor · « **Reply #99 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:44:12 PM »

OK, I give up, the US ecomony isn't having a near complete meltdown and jobs are a plenty we're just looking for too much reimbursement for our labor. There really isn't a need for a stimulus package, let all those companies fold or move to Mexico and we'll still be fine, because we always adapt and we'll get through this. Let Ford, Chrysler and GM fold and the Hondas and the Toyotas can take over the auto industry. And I don't even live in lovely MI.

Taylor Made is made here in CA, or at least one of their plants are. I'm not a golfer, so I don't know much about golf clubs.

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Edited on 3/21/2009 12:48 PM

Monster Pike · « **Reply #100 on:** March 21, 2009, 12:49:42 PM »

Okay, I could be wrong, but Tour Edge is Headquartered right here in Batavia, IL right down the road from me. And last I checked, they manufactured golf clubs here also. I own a set of Bazooka's Jmax.
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jls · « **Reply #101 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:12:52 PM »

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OK, I give up, the US ecomony isn't having a near complete meltdown and jobs are a plenty we're just looking for too much reimbursement for our labor. There really isn't a need for a stimulus package, let all those companies fold or move to Mexico and we'll still be fine, because we always adapt and we'll get through this. Let Ford, Chrysler and GM fold and the Hondas and the Toyotas can take over the auto industry. And I don't even live in lovely MI.

Taylor Made is made here in CA, or at least one of their plants are. I'm not a golfer, so I don't know much about golf clubs.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Edited on 3/21/2009 12:48 PM

Taylor made clubs are and have been made in China since at least 1995.

Each and every club I have of their's has had a made in China sticker on the bottom of the shaft. The very first set I noticed it on was the Burner Bubble driver. And that set came out in the mid 90's.

You can call the 800 number of any major golf club maker and simple has them, where their clubs are made. They will tell you.

So compared to the golf industry, bowling is all red white and blue, and as American as apple pie, hot dogs and the Cubs!!!

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jls

jls · « **Reply #102 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:15:25 PM »

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Okay, I could be wrong, but Tour Edge is Headquartered right here in Batavia, IL right down the road from me. And last I checked, they manufactured golf clubs here also. I own a set of Bazooka's Jmax.
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They more then likely assemble them there. But the heads and shafts are made elsewhere. The only company that I know of that makes SOME of their clubs here, is Ping.
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jls

Nicanor · « **Reply #103 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:22:33 PM »

I'm sorry but according to Taylor Made's website, their North American headquarters is in Carlsbad California and I know they do/did make golf clubs there becaus someone that worked for me in the Navy worked there part time in 2004.

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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)

Steven · « **Reply #104 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:24:36 PM »

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There is no doubt Brunswick is in business to make a profit, that is what being in business is about but at the same time poor management is what caused Brunswick to get into trouble and move to Mexico. It is pretty obvious that the more Americans that are working the stronger and healthier the economy is. The way I see it 900 Global and its brands, Storm and its brands, Ebonite and its brands, Visionary, Lane#1 or any other company that still employ American workers make for a stronger America. That in turn makes for a better situation for all Americans.

102101: Excellent analysis. I feel there is still hope when reading thoughts such as those above.

Verbs gave some great input, and I'd hate to think of the 200 or so remaining US based Brunswick Bowling employees losing their jobs. Brunswick has some talented 'in the trench' folks remaining. They're not the issue -- it's the inept management that got them into this mess. I still don't see any signs that upper company management is committed to bowling with the same passion as most of the rest of the industry.

This thread came to mind when I was in my local shop the other day. The area Brunswick rep was making his rounds (a good thing), and I saw him go over to one of the Brunswick balls on display and remove the little round "Made in Mexico" sticky. A company should never be ashamed of their operating processes to the point where things need to hidden. It's sad when the employees feel that they have to cover for the snafus of those above them.

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Nicanor · « **Reply #105 on:** March 21, 2009, 01:30:33 PM »

I just got done looking up Callaway golf clubs and they are also made in Carlsbad California and currently has job openings for 12. I'm sure they make golf clubs around the world, but they both still make clubs here in the US.

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