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Nicanor

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Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« on: March 13, 2009, 12:55:52 AM »
the break or cost savings that Brunswick has seen with its move to Mexico.  In mexico you can have labor alone that is one quarter the labor rate herein the US and also all the laws and rules with regards to safety and enviornment is much less restrictive saving a lot of money.

Has any of that savings been passed on to us the consumer?

I don't think so.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #136 on: March 24, 2009, 04:48:23 PM »
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #137 on: March 24, 2009, 04:53:13 PM »
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Wow....CRD Speaks!  
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Go back into hibernation.....and if you wake up, go find another forum
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #138 on: March 24, 2009, 06:04:37 PM »
Bottom line...I would have paid 10% more and still thrown Brunswick forever if they would have stayed in Mi.

I did it for years and still do now. I now pay the higher costs by purchasing older Lane 1's if I want somethng with PowerKoil 18.

I did it for years buying Quantums.

Verbs you can say it was all about making a profit if you want but Brunswick turned a fine profit for years building balls in Mi. and the other companies do still in other American cities.

They sold out the workers for profits at the corporate level...plain and simple...you will never convince me otherwise.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #139 on: March 24, 2009, 07:04:11 PM »
Compleyebowler,

I thiink you stated your point too simply.  CRD and some others want to make it too complex.  Brunswick closed their bowling ball manufacturing plants and moved them to Mexico.  simple. Now they had to lay off a certain amout of emplyess.  simple.  Brunswick took their bowling ball manufacturing plant to Mexico to increase their profit margin.  simple.  They must have had poor mangement.  simple.  Because if they had good management, they would have been able to suceed in the US.  Brunswick is a corporation.  simple.  Their goal is to make money.  simple.  They are a corporation in the business to make money regardless of how it effects us here in the US.  simple.

If Brunswick does not care about the US citizen, why should we buy Brunswick.  simple.

Not so simple and no one will respond to it.

If the big three decided to take the stimulus money and move their plants to Mexico, how would we feel?  Yes most will still buy their products, but do they survive?  What if company after company follows them to Mexico, china or another country where wages are lower and they don't care about the enviornment.  How many jobs can we lose to other countries and still recover and have a strong economy?


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #140 on: March 24, 2009, 07:50:25 PM »
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Bottom line...I would have paid 10% more and still thrown Brunswick forever if they would have stayed in Mi.

I did it for years and still do now. I now pay the higher costs by purchasing older Lane 1's if I want somethng with PowerKoil 18.

I did it for years buying Quantums.

Verbs you can say it was all about making a profit if you want but Brunswick turned a fine profit for years building balls in Mi. and the other companies do still in other American cities.

They sold out the workers for profits at the corporate level...plain and simple...you will never convince me otherwise.


Trust me, Brunswick's Bowling Consumer Division DID NOT TURN a profit operating out of Muskegin Michigan's manufacturing plant. Plain and simple.

Now I am not defending Brunswick, just clarifying your post. And unless you were there, you would not know what Brunswick did, as far as sales or profits. It had to do with the unions not wanting to negotiate with Brunswick. Plain and simple. You can believe what you want. Brunswick did not sale anyone out.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #141 on: March 24, 2009, 07:58:56 PM »
So why did they have to leave the US?  If they were going to move, why didn't they move to somewhere in the US that wasn't dominated by the union?  They did not have to go to Mexico to get away from the union.


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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #142 on: March 24, 2009, 09:19:14 PM »
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To comment on the last 2 posts...

The reason for Mexico, the boat division (BayLiner) had already in place a manufacturing plant in the area that the ball manufacturing plant is and was doing well. Granted this was 2-3 years ago, when the boat division was prospering and before Katrina & the current down turn in the economy.

Steven, you are correct in much of what you posted. Time will tell if it is merely slowing the bleeding.

Nicanor,

See above. That question was answered 2 pages ago.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #143 on: March 24, 2009, 09:32:39 PM »
To quote a great movie line....

"What is behind me does not matter!"

But then again we get home made cheese cake!
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #144 on: March 24, 2009, 09:41:17 PM »
Yep.

And they are AWESOME!!!!!

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To quote a great movie line....

"What is behind me does not matter!"

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2009, 09:47:22 PM »
You're closer...NO FAIR.
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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #146 on: March 24, 2009, 09:54:08 PM »
Just out of curiosity how much of a pay cut did all management,other salary staff and sales take to help the company seeing how the unionized work force did not want to negotiate a pay cut. How much tax incentives did the federal government provide brunswick to move their facility to mexico? What did the state of Michigan do to help keep brunswick in the U.S. Did they offer tax incentives to build a new manufacturing facility or money to purchase machinery? I am not ragging on brunswick but I am just curious.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #147 on: March 24, 2009, 10:16:55 PM »
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Just out of curiosity how much of a pay cut did all management,other salary staff and sales take to help the company seeing how the unionized work force did not want to negotiate a pay cut. How much tax incentives did the federal government provide brunswick to move their facility to mexico? What did the state of Michigan do to help keep brunswick in the U.S. Did they offer tax incentives to build a new manufacturing facility or money to purchase machinery? I am not ragging on brunswick but I am just curious.


I can only say that the State of Michigan offered very little, if any, incentives to get Brunswick to stay in Michigan. The government offered very little, if any, incentives to get Brunswick to stay.

As far as salaried employee's taking a pay cut, Brunswick corporate in its infinite wisdom chose another route AFTER the Mexico plant didn't open as seamlessly as it was anticipated..........corporate downsizing. Which Rico & I were apart of, along with a few others from other divisions, at separate times.

I will say it again, AT THAT TIME, moving the manufacturing to Mexico was the best option for Brunswick to stay in the bowling ball business.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #148 on: March 24, 2009, 10:19:37 PM »
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Just out of curiosity how much of a pay cut did all management,other salary staff and sales take to help the company seeing how the unionized work force did not want to negotiate a pay cut. How much tax incentives did the federal government provide brunswick to move their facility to mexico? What did the state of Michigan do to help keep brunswick in the U.S. Did they offer tax incentives to build a new manufacturing facility or money to purchase machinery? I am not ragging on brunswick but I am just curious.


I can only say that the State of Michigan offered very little, if any, incentives to get Brunswick to stay in Michigan. The government offered very little, if any, incentives to get Brunswick to stay.

As far as salaried employee's taking a pay cut, Brunswick corporate in its infinite wisdom chose another route AFTER the Mexico plant didn't open as seamlessly as it was anticipated..........corporate downsizing. Which Rico & I were apart of, along with a few others from other divisions, at separate times.

I will say it again, AT THAT TIME, moving the manufacturing to Mexico was the best option for Brunswick to stay in the bowling ball business.

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I understand why brunswick moved to mexico. I am not knocking what they did.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #149 on: March 24, 2009, 10:25:59 PM »
Fair enough tburky.

I have stated it before on this forum. And I think I speak for JustRico on this. Yes, we were screwed over by Brunswick Corporate. But we choose to take the high road and try and support the friends we have left at Brunswick.

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Re: Have the Brunswick bowling ball buyers seen
« Reply #150 on: March 24, 2009, 10:43:05 PM »
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Fair enough tburky.

I have stated it before on this forum. And I think I speak for JustRico on this. Yes, we were screwed over by Brunswick Corporate. But we choose to take the high road and try and support the friends we have left at Brunswick.

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I have purchased 2 brunswick balls this year and I do understand your support to the friends you left behind.