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JJKinGA

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Golf headed the way of bowling?
« on: April 21, 2014, 10:53:33 AM »
I just read this article about concern in golf for losing players due to low scoring and active plans to increase the scoring pace...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/sports/golf/in-a-hole-golf-considers-digging-a-wider-one.html?_r=0

Obviously they never looked to see what easier scoring conditions have done to help grow bowling.

Doesn't anyone try and promote being great at soemthing difficult?  Doesn't anyone promote the experience rather than a false sense of accomplishment?

If I can't enjoy bowling or golf for what it is, will I really enjoy it more if it is easier?

 

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2014, 09:25:23 PM »
I've been waiting on this news for some time, just so it will (hopefully) shut up a lot of the "scoring pace is the devil" critics who think that's what led to the downfall of league bowling.

What has led to the downfall of both sports is increased competition for a person's time from other interests, the breakdown of local economic systems, increased cost of participation, and sociological changes such as people simply becoming less social and more insulated behind computer screens. And while bowlers lost a lot of bowling centers along the way, golfers lost even more in terms of golf courses going under in 1999/2000 and 2006-2008.

It is much easier to identify the scoring pace, especially if the person doing it feels threatened by others suddenly bowling scores comparable to his/her own.

I've told this story before, but I used to live in a town where the local steel plant shut down its third shift, and when it did that, an entire 24-team league quit. That's 24 teams times five bowlers, or 120 people. You could add up everyone else I've ever known to quit bowling over the last 25 years, for whatever reason, and you wouldn't get to 120. I still can count the number of people who left because "scores are too high" on two hands and still have digits left over.

The scoring pace argument is a total red herring, and it becomes less of a reason every year, as older bowlers who were around pre-resin die off. Within the next 20 years, there won't be many people who began competitive bowling prior to resin's arrival, thus the excuse will be completely irrelevant, not that it isn't irrelevant already.

Golf's problems share a lot in common with bowling's problems, but people don't quit golf because it's too easy. I know plenty to have quit it because it's too hard; I'm still waiting to meet the first person to quit it because it was too easy. I have, however, met plenty of people opposed to six-hour rounds, $70 greens fees (plus another $25 for the cart if you don't want to walk), courses in shoddy condition for the price, etc.

If you want to bring both sports' numbers back, either work on the value side of golf and bowling for awhile, or figure out a way to spin the Wayback Machine back to where parents weren't helicoptering over their kids' travel ball schedules, the middle class wasn't economically threatened, or find a way to turn off video games. Just don't try to sell me on scoring pace being the problem, because it's not.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2014, 09:02:45 AM »
Well stated Jess, but unfortunately there will still be those that will claim that scoring pace is too high and that the THS is too easy and claim that they have caused the reduction in league play.  :-\

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2014, 09:30:15 AM »


If you want to bring both sports' numbers back, either work on the value side of golf and bowling for awhile, or figure out a way to spin the Wayback Machine back to where parents weren't helicoptering over their kids' travel ball schedules, the middle class wasn't economically threatened, or find a way to turn off video games. Just don't try to sell me on scoring pace being the problem, because it's not.

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I think bowling is more guilty of pricing themselves away from their market than golf has been by a long shot.

Unlike Jess, I still have access to decently priced rounds of golf ($20 w/cart during week, $30 on weekend), but greens fees haven't escalated like bowling prices have. 

I would argue price is a bigger issue with bowling.  Let's be honest, bowling appeals to a lower income bracket and when bowling 4-5 games costs more than 18 holes at a municipal GC, that's a problem. 

Golf is following one path that bowling did.....equipment of the month.  TaylorMade is hor-ri-ble about mass equipment dumps on a yearly basis.  Equipment junkies can stay broke   On the flip side, I have no problem buying last year's driver for 1/2 price (or better).  Unlike bowling, golf equipment advances are strictly watched by the USGA and other than the speed slots, there haven't been any huge advances that warranted multiple purchases.
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2014, 09:38:29 AM »
Here is what people forget about bowling.  The sport entered an unsustainable boom due to the advent of the automatic pinsetter and the coming of age of the baby boom generation.  The decline in organized bowling has been about the aging population, and not nearly as many new bowlers joining leagues due to competition from other recreational activities not generally available in the 1950's.  People quit bowling because they get too old.  People quit golf because of the difficulty of becoming accomplished at even a rudimentary level, the cost, and the time commitment to play a round. 

Both bowling and golf are recreational activities that have a professional level of competition.  Unlike golf, bowling succeeded temporarily in enticing a large proportion of the recreational level of bowlers to join organized competition.  Something that golf never attempted.   

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2014, 10:07:10 AM »
You can't compare bowling with municipal golf.  Most municipal golf courses are subsidized by the city's parks and recreation department.  So unless your city owns the local bowling center and subsidizes it the comparison isn't fair. 

As I've said many times, people want to bowl in shiny new bowling centers with new lanes and a lane machine that costs as much as a car, but pay 80's prices.

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2014, 10:47:14 AM »
Bowling is honestly one of the fairer priced activities for families in comparison...bowling balls have increased in cost approx 20% in the past 20 yrs yet retail prices stay at mid 90's prices...yet gas prices have increased over 4X's since then
Golf at it's highest levels are not even comparable...Pebble Beach remains at $495 a round and surviving quite well...golf courses are closing similar to bowling centers but have much more land involved
Bowling is generally a year round game able to be played during any weather by all ages...scoring by be a bit skewed but there is very little broken with it other than certain individuals wanting a return to 'the greater days' which will never happen...all of the these are business ventures and if they do not evolve they will fail...plain & simple
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2014, 09:54:33 AM »
I think bowling and golf are both great games, that have their own share of weaknesses and strengths.  Golf has always seemed to be less intuitive to the average beginner, making it more difficult for many  to get above the proverbial hacker status.  Bowlings biggest challenge comes from the subtlety in difficulty of getting to the elite level.  The amount of versatility necessary to compete over a broad range of lane conditions is very much under rated.     

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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »
You guys think bowling is expensive? You should try motocross.
Cost me around $100 a month to take my bike out twice, just to practice. Not even including what it would cost me to race.

Bowling? $15-$20 a league, and free practice.

Regarding golf, I know an instructor that gave me basically a full set of lessons when I was younger, and I just couldnt manage to stick with it. It is, at least for me, much harder to learn than bowling was.

All the casual golfers I know couldnt touch a pro in a game of golf.

However, we have a local PBA tour player here, and a few months ago me and my nothing-to-brag-about 195 average managed to beat him scratch.

Now if I took on a PGA tour player...
I cant imagine the same scenario happening.

Bowling is more of a level playing field now for the competitive players. Even the casual bowlers can still put up decent scores and at least have a remote chance of winning. I see low average bowlers/teams win league games and place high in season standings against "better" players and teams frequently.

Whether thats good or bad for the sport is still debatable.
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Re: Golf headed the way of bowling?
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2014, 06:58:10 PM »
I've been waiting on this news for some time, just so it will (hopefully) shut up a lot of the "scoring pace is the devil" critics who think that's what led to the downfall of league bowling.
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Great post, saved me the typing. The dying middle class, blue collar manufacturing sector, coupled with the fast paced Facebook youth, and a craptastic economy make bowling wither on the vine - and this is put to rest with the aging houses not moving or staying relevant and marketing to the "new" bowler.

Golf has similar, but not completely identical problems...but it has advantages over bowling as it appeals to a more affluent market segment, exists on ground and in areas where the folks still spending live and want to be, and enjoys an "elite" sporting status.

Bowling is not coming back to the 1970's. Ever. Sorry, that's the post industrial world we're living in. Enjoy what we have, try to get people into it, hope your center has some marketing savvy. Or, find a new sport.
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