Author Topic: Having The Right Arsenal (Read 1237 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** May 13, 2004, 09:33:21 PM »

Yesterday I bowled in my regular Thursday afternoon Seniors League.

First game using the Uranium, 215

Second game the Uranium wouldn't work and neither would the GN nor Emerald, 147

Third game, I dug my old my "old" Ebonite V2 Pearl out of my bag, 257

Total= Only 619

The moral of all of this is that I have learned the expensive way that although I was led to believe that you can have a complete arsenal that will work from only one company, that is not true. I have expensively come to the conclusion that to have a complete arsenal that will work on most conditions, you have to have balls from more than one company. I appoligize to all that I have offended in the past defending only one company.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2004, 12:45:33 PM »

I don't think it is one company or anything in particular.

It is transition. And not matching up to it!

Lane # 1 has a ball that is very similar to the V2 Pearl.

It is called the Cherry Pearl Bomb. The emerald maybe was too big of a step down.

You could have stuck with one company or if you were a Sawbones "releaser", you could have stuck with the same ball for a decade or two!

REgards,

Luckylefty

tenpinspro · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2004, 12:58:21 PM »

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The moral of all of this is that I have learned the expensive way that although I was led to believe that you can have a complete arsenal that will work from only one company, that is not true.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree here BrickGuy. It all boils down to simply having the right surface and drilled properly for the individual for that particular condition. It comes back down to the discussion of matching up, whether it's from the same company or not. I'm just saying that it's still "possible" to have a complete arsenal from one company, doesn't really matter. Most important issue is that it works for the individual.....

Rick

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2004, 01:23:35 PM »

Ok, I have a question here about releases of balls from 2 different companies.

First, on my Buzzsaws, if I stay behind them at the realese, on the overall average they will work well, but if I come around the ball, they don't work at all, (weak hook, poor finish, leave 10 pins on every pocket hit and etc.)......Now on the V2 Pearl, as with any ball, it is strongest if I am behind the ball at release, however when I come around the ball, it doesn't effect the V2's performance as bad it does a Buzzsaw's performance when I come around it. Like wise on a friend's V2 Sanded that I throw some times. On Buzzsaws, if I am having trouble staying behind that ball that day, I just as well "go to the house" as I will be lucky to shoot 480. However, not so with the V2's...........Why?

?? Does anyone know??? Is it possible that the V2 type of weight block matches up to me better?

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2004, 01:39:54 PM »

Hey BrickGuy,

First you need to compare the 2 balls, surface, rg's+diff, weightblock, drill pattern and so on. There probably are differences here that you're not noticing. I would agree however that certain blocks and designs match up to individuals a little better.

Rick

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2004, 01:57:53 PM »

I had a similar experience, shoot 269, 152, 239 for a solid 660 set. There was a definite lane transition, which I attempted to adjust for (numerous times). Just didn't get it done. Made a ball change after second game and back in it again. The trick is to have an "arsenal" that actually fills the gaps (whether its strictly from one company or many...).

My question becomes, if the uranium was over reacting (sounds as if it was if you scored well with a V2 pearl), then why would you initially switch to a more aggressive GN? Also (as pointed out), sounds as if there is a fairly wide gap between the uranium and emerald (which the V2 filled nicely). So something similar to the V2 in the Lane#1 line might be either a cherry bomb or a cranberry. Regardless, this gave you an idea of the relative strengths of your equipment and the "order" in which the fall.

Good luck!
S^2

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tenpinspro · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2004, 02:05:00 PM »

Yes Rags, I do. A definite must for the avid bowler...however, I feel that I would've been 10 pins higher this year had I used yours seeing as how it should have had an unknown "potential".

pin-chaser · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:10:36 PM »

I believe that some bowlers match up better to a specific ball manufacturer becuase of inherent traits particular to a specific bowler. But, no bowler should eliminate any ball manufacturer and should remain open minded about all bowling balls. Bowling balls are the tools we bowlers use to do our work. Everyday, every lane, every game our conditions change and are varied. We should all have the best tools in our arsenal and because of all the potential changes we are faced, we need to always consider ever tool available to maximize our potential.

Brickguy,

It appears that you did not understand what was transpiring on the lane surface and eventually chose a ball that gave you the right reaction for you. Your point about an arsenal is secondary to your understanding what is transpiring on the lane surface. It becomes easier to build an arsenal and choose a ball from it to counter act the changes on the lane surface if you understand the dynamics on the lane surface.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:27:10 PM »

Ok, my question is still not getting answered and I am not good at making my self clear when I ask questions, so I will make another attempt here:

I've heard from a couple or so of sources that the Saws are terrific if you can stay behind them, but if you can't stay behind them they are bad and that you need to put them up and use something else.......Now, as I have already said, my V2 works either way, behind the ball or off the side of the ball.

My question to all of this is why?

Is the V2 weight block more versatile for how a person throws the ball and that the Buzzsaws will only work well when throwed one way and that is stay behind the ball?

With the exception of the Uranium which I will never part with, I am seriously thinking about selling my other 3 Buzzsaws and moving a bit deeper in the V2 line as well as the Storm balls of the Triple X and Depth Charge and the Particle Pearl Eraser and don't want to make the expensive mistakes I made with these Buzzsaws......

Can anyone help here or since this involves Lane 1 Balls, is the subject "too touchy" to post on?

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2004, 05:47:17 PM »

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It appears that you did not understand what was transpiring on the lane surface and eventually chose a ball that gave you the right reaction for you. Your point about an arsenal is secondary to your understanding what is transpiring on the lane surface. It becomes easier to build an arsenal and choose a ball from it to counter act the changes on the lane surface if you understand the dynamics on the lane surface.

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pin-chaser, The oil in the heads was unusually heavy for this house the first game. Then towards the end of first game, by Uranium started getting a little "squirely", so I thought may be the carry down was causing this. Especiall since another member of my team with a 204 average was having a problem of getting her ball strong enough on the back end and she was struggling because of this, so after starting the 2nd game with poor reaction from the Uranium and thinking "carry down", I switched to the GN for 2 frames with disasterous results like the Uranium. I then switched to the Emerald and it seemed to work well, hook well, but would not carry a strike nor the 10 Pin no matter where I stood and throwed. So, the last game I knew I had nothing to lose, so I dug out the V2 Pearl and it carried every time I was in the pocket, regardless of whether it was high, thin, or just right. The hits seemed harder and scouts flying and etc. I tried the V2 in warm-ups, and there was too much oil for it, so I put it away.

The Emerald has been a great ball on some conditions, but day in and day out, the V2 Pearl will handle a wider range of conditions plus handle carry down better than the Emerald.

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Edited on 5/14/2004 5:51 PM

pin-chaser · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2004, 06:13:36 PM »

Brickguy,

You and I share the same problem of clearly articulating our thoughts.

You cannot generalize bowling equipment into catagories as you are attempting to do for the entire bowling populas. With that said, You may experience certian results from equipment that I might not experience. Its all about you not the bowling balls. My example to this is that, I might get a specific reaction using a Storm Hot Rod with a 3" pin using a 4 x 5 layout and it might take you a V2 Particle with a 3 3/8 x 3 3/8 layout to obtain the same exact reaction and striking potential. Or the converse might might be clearer, if we both use the exact same ball and layout,,, I might get early arcing reaction and you might get skid/slip.

In order to determine your required reaction, you have to understand the lane and your bowling and cant take to heart what others say about specific equipement. Its about what reaction you get from the equipement because you are different from others. The more you understand your bowling and the more you understand the lane surface the easier it will be to choose, surface, layouts and build an arsenal. You cant put the ball ahead of the condition or the bowler.

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janderson · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2004, 06:28:17 PM »

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I've heard from a couple or so of sources that the Saws are terrific if you can stay behind them, but if you can't stay behind them they are bad and that you need to put them up and use something else

BrickGuy -

I completely disagree with your sources and would agree with pin-chaser: "You cannot generalize bowling equipment into catagories as you are attempting to do for the entire bowling populas."

Now, if you tell me you've had limited or no success with your Lane #1 stuff when switching to a side- versus up-the-back- release, I would believe you, but question the variety of scope of lane conditions on which you've tried. If you're experiencing carry down, and switch from up-the-back to a more side-oriented release, I would expect you to have problems. Increasing axis rotation increases length when the carrydown is already increasing your length. The result? You're coming in behind the head pin at a steeper angle. Say hello to the ringing corner pin.

So why doesn't it happen with your other equipment? Hard to say. How is it drilled? Track flare can help negate carrydown because you're presenting a fresh ball surface. It might just happen that your other stuff flares more than your saws. In short, there are many factors beyond just the manufacturer to be considered.

But hey, keeping your mind open to multiple manufacturers is only a good thing.
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Edited on 5/14/2004 6:27 PM

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