Do you think the "rerating" system works for those who bowl the PBA Experience Leagues?

Here is why I ask...
There are a few members of a 5 man team who bowled local districts this week, whose averages are only established based on their PBA Experience averages. A couple of them are on this site and post/review. Personally, I have no issue with any of them. I just question how fair it is to pull this stuff.

Im not sure what the rerate is from 180 or 190 or 200. But one of them averages 240 on a house shot---he is getting handicap off of a 220 average. He shot 805 in team---with handicap, it was an 860. Thats ridiculous.

Sandbagging is one thing. And having integrity for the game is another (based on only wanting to bowl the PBA Experience leagues).

But isnt there something wrong with saying "Yes, thats a legitimate average", when every human being with a brain cell knows its not.

This isnt the first the issue has been brought up around here. Recently someone who only bowled 1 PBA Experience League went to states and went nuts. Again---on a house shot, he would average 220. But on those shots, he averages 170-180.

So what do you think about this situation?
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Chris Barnes is not a choker---he is just a great opponent to draw on TV.

I'm with SKIDSNAP

Your issue is with the tournament committee.  Any tournament committee can rerate a bowler for any reason. If they thought that this bowler was a 240 ave on a house shot similar to their tournament shot then they should have rerated him.  

All tournament comittees should be looking up averages especially if only a PBA Exp ave. is given.  Then they'd probably see a 4 to 6 year average history of the bowler upon which to base a rerate....or not.  

Erin

As I read thru this I dont think the OP was trashing anyone for bowling well.  What I think he was asking is how can you get away with using your PBAX average as a tournament average that is not shot on a PBAX condition?  While it is obvious that anyone that spends lots of time on PBAX conditions will undoubtly get better and be able to score well on the easier conditions.  It is also my opinion that they should not be able to use the PBAX ave for handicap on THS condition tournaments.  I still say shooting 805 is great under any conditions but adding 55 pins handicap is where the questions arise.  Maybe it is a tournament by tournament issue I dont know.  This is the reason I only bowl scratch events now.  Dont have to worry about any sand just better bowlers and there are always lots of them.

Based on the Chart his PBAX league average is 210. Now is his 240 average a confirmed (or this someone saying it). If it is indeed his average he would have to use it.

Okay the guy shoots 805. Games would be something like (280, 278, 247 = 805) or whatever. No matter how you look at it that is a great series. To me the issue I have is two things:

1. The Tournament lays out an easy shot. Sorry it goes both ways. Guys walking in with 160 averages and shoot a 700 series. I have seen more times this way than what is being stated here. There have been guys shooting upper 700s in tournaments but don't have the handicap and they walk away with no money.

2. The BASE for handicap. Your message pretty much puts the handicap calculated at 90% from 240. 240!!!! That is ridiculous for a THS tournament. A THS tournament should NOT go above 210. Let me state that a LEAGUE is different. This is a SHOOT OUT tournament and everyone has a chance. Those who score best on it should win...NOT those who have 70 - 80 pins a game.

To me this guy deserves the pins he got. The tournament was set up with a high handicap base. He is getting 18 pins a game.

My opinion the rerating system isn't going to fit everyone. Some will be better like this instance, but I think most will NOT benefit.    

Now lets get back to the discussion, someone average 240 on THS vs 210 on PBAX.

THS has been around for ever, I heard stories directly from Don Carter about the scores from the 50's and 60's. So dont believe we are facing a new challange today of fairness because there is NO SUCH THING in a democracy. As long as the ignorant (those that dont have a greater understanding yet) have the same weight in a vote as the knowledgable then the process is broke. There in lies the trouble with our game. Those of us that realize todays scoring frenzy is simply rediculous are simply out voted by those that want to continue to bowl on THS with todays bombs. And as long as there is the demand for such there will never be equity and fairness in this game and will never develop into a sport.

I am a 220+ THS bowler that bowls once per week and have taken off 15 years in the last 20 and I am nearing 50. In the 80's I was a 220 bowler bowling 5 days a week in league and practicewd the other two. In a PBAX I am a 200+ now. So rate me at 210 based on PBAx and give me a coule pins.. I dont care. If I get lined up with the right ball in my hand I shoot 800 on THS.. so you can say, I can average 260+ on THS. This is all a mute point anyway. FIX the problem with equity and fairness by requiring defined skill and not simply having the right ball in your hand.

Wake up... everyone is under the spell of today's scoring pace. A sport should require skill not equipment as the priority equipment. Basketballs are all the same (in a game). Tennis balls are all the same. We keep comparing technology improvements in sports with the wrong pieces. Sure golf balls and clubs are an advantage... but you dont see a golf club win tornaments... you see a palyer beating the course. You dont see a tennis racquet beat a player...you see a tennis player getting another tennis player out of posisition and hitting a passing shot. The tennis court did not change. But in bowling you MUST have the correct ball in your hand to have any chance.

Let me add one more note: The biggest advantage about bowling balls is that it gives every style the ability to compete. I hear that time and time again. And quite frankly that is a bunch of cr*p. If a non skilled bowler can compete with the best skilled bowlers because of equipment than what are we crying over here. Its just a game. It does not matter. If the definition of scoring is hitting 5-7 boards at 40` and nothing else matters (because we certianly can drill balls to hook by themselves or not, or hook early, or hook late, or not hook) because the balls store up energy now than we deserve what we get.

TDC

   I can see I failed to make my point. I agree not everyone, everytime are better bowlers instantly when they use a reactive ball. My point is that for 3 games any true 170 average bowler can shoot numbers incrediably more frequently that they could ever before. In fact on any given night in most leagues, the top bowlers are beat by those types of bowlers and seldomly are at the top. It may always be a different set of bowlers but there was a time when they best bowlers were consistently atop the board. That is integrity.

This week on our pair for example... we have a team with all our members averaging between 213 and 220. Our opposing team highest average was 198. The highest guy on our pair shot 748 (with a 180 average on the opposing team) and our highest guy shot 622. I am not disgruntled by this, just stating a fact. He had the right ball and he had a great night. How could that be? We had 5 guys that should have been high and there team had 1. So he beat ALL 6 "better" bowlers?

How often is par golfer beaten by a group of 18 handicapers in a round? Daily? How often is a top tennis player beatin by a group of mediocre tennis players in a match? Daily?