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Rival

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Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« on: November 05, 2009, 05:24:42 AM »
Hello everyone, I''m having some trouble finding success in my early shift.  Everything I have just skids, and skids way too far.  My most aggressive ball is the Virtual Gravity drilled 4 x 4 with a 2" pin buffer.  I''ve tried this ball at various surfaces, (Too long at 4000 & 2000 abralon, and it seems to exert too much energy at 1000 and down).  It doesn''t help that if I get this ball (or any ball for that matter) outside of the five board, it hooks as soon it touches the lane.  I''ve tried bouncing off of the dry boards (with marginal success), I''ve tried playing in the soup (If I take the VG straight up anything inside the 7 board, its 60 feet of skid.), and I''ve tried playing right up the dry (I can find the pocket but carry becomes a HUGE problem for me.)

Usually the people in our house start straight up the track area, and then as the night progresses, they move further and further inside.  But with my *BLESSING* or in this case *CURSE*, being left handed means no track area to rely on.  I was wondering if I could find a ball that moves slightly more than a Virtual Gravity, albeit drilling, surface prep, and ball selection.  Predictability is a must for me, on this lane condition the VG is simply too squirty.

I was hoping it was just me, but when I leave this house to bowl tournaments, I end up scoring extremely well.  (195 average in league, last two tournaments have had series of 720, 713).  Prior to changing to this league, I averaged 209 in the same house, just a different pattern.

Please note, this is not a bash on my Virtual Gravity at all, outside of this league it is golden.  I''ve shot many decent scores, and overall I am very pleased with the reaction it has given me.  I''m just looking for something to really dig into this swamp and give me a defined reaction.  Brand means nothing to me, so long as the ball works.  I''ve been looking into an Original Cell, a Bounty Hunter, or maybe an AMF Mega Friction.  Thoughts are appreciated.  Thanks.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 01:37:34 PM »
Here are a couple of choices:

Mutant Cell. For me its about 4 or 5 boards stronger that the VG drilled the same way.

Bounty Hunter. I have not thrown this ball personally but several guys have it on my Monday league and that balls seems to do very good in oil.


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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 02:02:34 PM »
Check out the Visionary Ogre Particle.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 02:11:13 PM »
If you have enough head oil the the Bounty Hunter is what you are looking for. It is super predictable. But I have had one house that just didn't have enough head oil on the fresh oil and it just rolls out and doesn't do much. Other than that it is a great ball for oil.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
For true heavy oil:  Visionary AMB Particle.

There are some used ones for sale, 14, 15, and 16 pounds:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Topics.asp?ForumID=109&CategoryID=12


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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 02:56:13 PM »
I like the Siege.  I used mine on some volume on one of my leagues last week, very good motion and down lane recovery rolling into and out of the heavy stuff.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 03:07:31 PM »
If you VG is not hooking I don't think any other ball is going to

Maybe slow down and throw st8r? You are not going to hook 20 boards on all lanes
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2009, 03:16:26 PM »
Motiv TR2 is a good oil ball, Bounty Hunter and Mega Friction are both good choices. I have never thrown the Visionary AMB Particle, but everything I have heard and seen on this ball, I don't think there is a stronger overall ball motion then the AMB. Good luck!!
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2009, 04:07:42 PM »
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If you VG is not hooking I don't think any other ball is going to

Maybe slow down and throw st8r? You are not going to hook 20 boards on all lanes
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See that's my issue, I can't tell if this ball is burning up before it ever has a chance to move or if its just that there is so much oil I just gotta get used to it.  I'm not talking about covering 20 boards here.  If I throw this ball up 4 its clipping a 10 pin.  If I throw this ball up 8 its hitting the 2,4.  I can't decide if I want something to play in the soup, or if I really want something to blend out the serious case of wet/dry that is occuring right around the 7 or 7 board.

I want to say that the ball is burning up because my friend can throw  a Cell, or even a Pin Up One and easily throw 17 at the arrows out to about 8 or 9.  Believe it or not, the guy actually has less revolutions on the ball than, he just gets around the side and creates more axis rotation than I do.  My ball almost seems to roll end over end (PAP almost 6 inches over), but this is the only league I've truly struggled to find anything at all with.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 02:14:06 AM »
If you can, try the ball in training: put a piece of taope on your PAP and check what the ball does on the lane, how and when the marker migrates away from the PAP towards the key position (mass bias). That should tell you a lot about what is not working. If it migrates too late or hardly at all, then more surface or even an earlier setup would be the solution.

Maybe your PAP has shifted upwards? with only 4" pin to PAP, chances are that the core is in a position that it might migrate towards the pin instead of the MB. I have had this case around here with strong oil balls (a LevRG and an Attitude) on 2 bowlers. They complained that the ball would not move and hit weak - and both times, the core flared into the wrong direction! But this could only be told from the positive side and with markers.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 02:34:52 AM »
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If you can, try the ball in training: put a piece of taope on your PAP and check what the ball does on the lane, how and when the marker migrates away from the PAP towards the key position (mass bias). That should tell you a lot about what is not working. If it migrates too late or hardly at all, then more surface or even an earlier setup would be the solution.

Maybe your PAP has shifted upwards? with only 4" pin to PAP, chances are that the core is in a position that it might migrate towards the pin instead of the MB. I have had this case around here with strong oil balls (a LevRG and an Attitude) on 2 bowlers. They complained that the ball would not move and hit weak - and both times, the core flared into the wrong direction! But this could only be told from the positive side and with markers.
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It's against the rules to put tape on the ball during league so it has be outside of league if you can find the shot.  As petty as it sounds, some dipstick will complain.  I know, it happened to me yesterday and I wasn't bowling particular well either.  I am going to get a grease pencil and write "no tape" on the pap next time I bowl league.(that house sucks anyway)
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 02:57:38 AM »
oh, and to answer your question, I have a pin up VG at 2k and a oob Cell drilled to roll and at least with these layouts I use the cell for heavier stuff when I have to play tight.  The VG reacts harder off the dry and can be used once the pattern breaks down which isn''t that easy since I am on the left side like yourself.

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What might work better in the long run is to work with a coach on how to adjust your hand or wrist position and speed to work on this pattern.  And realistically, on the left side you might find yourself shut out even with the most aggressive ball.  It''s cheaper than buying a new ball and the knowledge you gained lasts forever.

The pattern does sounds interesting.  I wonder if a rico drilling and playing the outside near the dry would work?  Any rico experts know?

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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 03:22:48 AM »
You can put tape on the ball during warmups right before league starts. Just make sure to take it off before scoring begins. You should only have to throw 1 or 2 shots to see what the ball is doing.
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r534me

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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 03:42:14 AM »
True, you can do it during shadow but the only problem is that the bowler may or may not be warmed up.
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Re: Heavy Oil Ball... Suggestions Please?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 09:18:17 AM »
Sounds to me like you're laneman may be a proud member of the IHL club (j/k).  I'm not surprised that the VG isn't getting it done. Personally, I don't see the VG as a heavy oil ball anyway because it doesn't roll hard enough in the front part of the lane, even with a pin down drill. What makes the VG special is the clean look through the front part of the lane with the aggressive midlane and backend.  In my center, it gets used on the league shot quite a bit by those who are "rev challenged" because of this.    

I think you're best bet is to wait for the Mutant Cell or if you can wait a little longer, the new Storm Premier bowling ball that's coming.  I would also recommend a Resurgence if you can find one, but a Noize drilled for oil might work as well.  The Resurgence is very predictable, but very strong and the Noize has the same Cover, with a slightly weaker core.
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