Author Topic: Heavy Oil, Big Hook, Big Backend (Read 2314 times)

J_w73 · « **on:** February 09, 2009, 06:54:37 AM »

Here is what I got for heavier oil
Brunswick BVP Mammoth - Rico'd - 400 grit
Hammer Anger - 4in pin to PAP. CG on axis with weight hole- 2000 abralon

I need something in between the Anger and Mammoth. Something for heavier oil with a big backend as both of these balls tend to Be smoother and more archy..

Thinking of the Uprising, Rising SE, maybe a No Mercy or No Mercy Beat'n with the right layout.
Anyone have any other suggestions?
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:15:04 PM »

Virtual Gravity
New Breed Solid
Nsane LevRG

Anything with a strong Mass Bias has GOT to have the MB in the right position for your release!!
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

abrown · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:18:24 PM »

i want to know where you bowl at to need that much ball,with your revs and speed maybe try something a little milder and let it store it's energy or add a light polish to the anger thats what i had to do to mine when i had one for a house shot

J_w73 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2009, 04:24:25 PM »

Looking at the responses, maybe I don't need anything.

I think I am realizing I do better with symetric simpler cores. None of my strong mass bias balls that I have had worked that well for me. Only big assymetric I have is the Widow Pearl.
I'll post my arsenal in another post and see what people think and if there are any gaps.
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2009, 04:35:47 PM »

Magic or Power Swing just trust me and pick one of these over a Virtual.

KDawg77 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2009, 04:38:08 PM »

Also, you can RICO a Track Rising.
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Ken

J_w73 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:03:15 PM »

quote:
Magic or Power Swing just trust me and pick one of these over a Virtual.

Don't know anything about the Magic but why do you say the Power Swing over the Virtual Gravity. What does the Power Swing have that the VG lacks?
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:10:22 PM »

VG IS just to hard to get dialed in, Power Swing is symmetric and is just a great ball with good backend movement in medium heavy oil.

Cell is a far better ball than the VG and Magic is even better but has a mb on it.

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:14:29 PM »

To answer your question predictability for me the VG is either too much too early duller or too hard to control shined up with any polish or ruff buff.

J_w73 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:14:57 PM »

The cell didn't do anything for me. That is why I sold it. I think alot of it was the drill. It was almost Rico'd. Pin below fingers with the RG/MB at 45 deg. I should have put it with the pin up above my fingers with a 60-65 deg RG.
Maybe I'll try another one. But I think there are bigger backending balls that handle oil now.
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:18:07 PM »

quote:
Looking at the responses, maybe I don't need anything.

I think I am realizing I do better with symetric simpler cores. None of my strong mass bias balls that I have had worked that well for me. Only big assymetric I have is the Widow Pearl.
I'll post my arsenal in another post and see what people think and if there are any gaps.
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

Hunh???/

All the choices you optioned: Uprising, Rising SE, maybe a No Mercy or No Mercy Beat'n are all asymmetric, Mass bias balls?
So I recommended a couple of mass bias balls and one symmeric.

Now you say you do better with symmetric cores?
Make up our minds already.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

JustRico · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:18:07 PM »

One other to remember...if you are bowling on a lot of oil or longer pattern, you do not want something with a big back end. You want something that is smoother. If you get something with a big back end, generally they will be cleaner to create more back end. So, if you have something cleaner or with a big back end, it could lead to over under, due to itself fighting itself.

You can get a ball that will be continual or one that will read the mid lanes and be responsive in the back end on oil or longer patterns, but I would not recommend something per sey with a big back end. As well as back end is created by rotation and a proper release. Bowling balls only enhance what the bowler creates.

Go with a Virtual Gravity as it will fit with the other 2 and be different. Also use a layout that will have a pin slightly farther away from your PAP with a stronger mass bias, close to 45 degrees to keep it continual in the back part of the lane.
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Formerly BrunsRico

charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:21:41 PM »

quote:
The cell didn't do anything for me. That is why I sold it. I think alot of it was the drill. It was almost Rico'd. Pin below fingers with the RG/MB at 45 deg. I should have put it with the pin up above my fingers with a 60-65 deg RG.
Maybe I'll try another one. But I think there are bigger backending balls that handle oil now.
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

But like Rico says, you don't need a big backend ball on medium-heavy oil.

Besides that the Cell's strength is not its backend but its continuation combined with early roll and power at the pin deck and EXTREMELY consistent tracking: all oil tracks are the same distance apart.

Get a driller who knows what they're doing and just drill a Cell or a VG and be done with it already.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

J_w73 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2009, 08:50:00 PM »

quote:
quote:
Looking at the responses, maybe I don't need anything.

I think I am realizing I do better with symetric simpler cores. None of my strong mass bias balls that I have had worked that well for me. Only big assymetric I have is the Widow Pearl.
I'll post my arsenal in another post and see what people think and if there are any gaps.
--------------------
16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

Hunh???/

All the choices you optioned: Uprising, Rising SE, maybe a No Mercy or No Mercy Beat'n are all asymmetric, Mass bias balls?
So I recommended a couple of mass bias balls and one symmeric.

Now you say you do better with symmetric cores?
Make up our minds already.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

Yes .. I agree.. I don't know what I want.. or will work.. My flop with the Cell and the Immortal Solid have me a little scared now.
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2009, 09:05:49 PM »

quote:
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Hunh???/

All the choices you optioned: Uprising, Rising SE, maybe a No Mercy or No Mercy Beat'n are all asymmetric, Mass bias balls?
So I recommended a couple of mass bias balls and one symmeric.

Now you say you do better with symmetric cores?
Make up our minds already.

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"None are so blind as those who will not see."

So which ball that you recommended was symetrical?
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16-17 mph
350 rpm
PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8 up
High Game 300 x 3
High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205
PBA Xperience ave 180
years bowling 22

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