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Hatebaggers

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Definition of a sandbagger
« on: February 06, 2009, 02:23:33 AM »

 

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 01:13:57 PM »
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What are you smoking Gazoo.  No wonder you can float around without any strings!


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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 01:20:07 PM »
Blame the stupid rules of the USBC for this crap. EVERY sanctioned game, including tournaments, should be counted towards a persons average.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2009, 01:22:38 PM »
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Blame the stupid rules of the USBC for this crap. EVERY sanctioned game, including tournaments, should be counted towards a persons average.
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and all tournaments should be scratch.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2009, 01:34:16 PM »
His main league could be an "unofficial" sport shot.  How many 200+ guys do you know that wreck league and don't do squat at Nationals?

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2009, 01:40:44 PM »
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I like how he has 20 games twice.  What are the odds of that happening?
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2009, 02:21:31 PM »
I have been around the game for more years than most of you are old. I watched this guy bowl in Bloomington Indiana and I can tell if someone is a bagger or not by watching them bowl 3-4 frames.

This guy is one of the biggest baggers there has ever been out of Indiana. He used to shoot the Hoinke and cash, till finally he got banned? Funny thing, I subbed last night and he came up in the conversation and everyone of the guys felt the same way.

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2009, 03:18:39 PM »
I don't know the guy but just looking at the last 7-8 year averages it doesn't make sense that every league that counts for average is 190 and below and every other league that is under 21 games is 210 +.  Unless Suburban lanes is a really tuff house.  Something is fishy.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2009, 06:00:22 PM »
Is someone really arguing that he isn't a 'bagger? I'm supposed to believe it's sheer coincidence that every league he averages over 190 in doesn't hit the required number of games, yet he manages to be right around the 190 mark every single year in the same league. Which of course, happens to be the cutoff in the Indiana state tournament from division 1 (151-190) and the "classic" division(191+).

Purely coincidental.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »
wouldn't be surprised if he were to csh or even win in the lower division of the BTM...

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2009, 07:26:06 PM »
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Is someone really arguing that he isn't a 'bagger? I'm supposed to believe it's sheer coincidence that every league he averages over 190 in doesn't hit the required number of games, yet he manages to be right around the 190 mark every single year in the same league. Which of course, happens to be the cutoff in the Indiana state tournament from division 1 (151-190) and the "classic" division(191+).


No I have am not aruging that he isn't a sandbagger(probably is) Just saying that some bowlers sub in leagues for buddies year after year being on their rosters when needed and never get to 21 games. Shooting good scores the few times you do bowl doesn't automatically indicate sandbagging due to the variance in lane conditions. I no longer sub in leagues that I consider having easy lane conditions for this very reason.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2009, 08:10:52 PM »
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Is someone really arguing that he isn't a 'bagger? I'm supposed to believe it's sheer coincidence that every league he averages over 190 in doesn't hit the required number of games, yet he manages to be right around the 190 mark every single year in the same league. Which of course, happens to be the cutoff in the Indiana state tournament from division 1 (151-190) and the "classic" division(191+).


No I have am not aruging that he isn't a sandbagger(probably is) Just saying that some bowlers sub in leagues for buddies year after year being on their rosters when needed and never get to 21 games. Shooting good scores the few times you do bowl doesn't automatically indicate sandbagging due to the variance in lane conditions. I no longer sub in leagues that I consider having easy lane conditions for this very reason.
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If you got to see this guy bowl in person you would know in 2 balls he is a 220+ bowler. He doesn't miss the hole and is old school. Down and in player. He gives todays bowlers a bad name and he is old enough to know better.

I think guys like him should wear a shirt that says I am a sand bagger and take your chances when you bowl against me in tournaments.

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2009, 09:17:31 PM »
I just did a quick check at usbcopen.com and he hasn't bowled Nationals in the last four years.  We have a lady like that in our association and they're finally rerating her for the city tournament this year.
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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2009, 09:42:10 PM »
At least his low leagues were 180's. We had a team of bowlers who did similar tactics here in Texas, but there low leagues were as low as the 160's. The local association started posting all of their averages much like this guys are on the member site. They actually were cashing big in area tournaments and the tournament directors started catching on and made them bowl scratch. The only tournament I know for sure that has not figured this out is the state.

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Re: Definition of a sandbagger
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2009, 08:45:01 AM »
This guy appears to be a "sandbagger" based on his averages and some honor scores listed on his USBC record. Now in all honesty, it could be purely coincidental or could be he is Bowling as a regular league member on a Sport or PBA League and subbing in a normal house shot league.

Take myself for example....although I have never carried a real high average but was regularly in the 200-210 range (missing spares killed me) I have been questioned about my averages the past couple of years being in the low 190's. People were getting pissed that I was getting sticks on them. I bowl in a mens league who uses the point per bowler system. I have been struggling through bad spans, layouts, a bad driller.....you name it and it was bad. I finally have things in order and all feels good and my average is climbing back up and I should be back around 200 by the end of the fall leagues. Most of the Tourneys I do enter, I bowl Scratch.....and I don't enter into any brackets while bowling with my handicap because I don't think it is fair. I know I can put up good scores and so does everyone in the leagues I have bowled with over the past 10 years.
That is why my personal opinion on Mens Leagues is that they either become Scratch, set a max per bowler/team handicap or become a Sport League. Sandbagging is very common in my mens league and I hate it.....we have guys who are blatant averaging in the 160's who during every position round shoot 650 or better. We have guys who will miss easy spares on purpose......all over a few extra dollars.....in our last position round last week we had a guy bowling against us who brings in 10 $200 bowling balls but "only" averages like a 173 shoot a 760 series on us....he was well over +200 for the night. My teammate who was up against him shot 750 and lost all 4 of his points. We score a point per game and a point for total....