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GendouIkari

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Help on spare system
« on: March 14, 2004, 11:55:59 PM »
Hi, I have about 3-4 weeks changing my spare system... I used my strike ball for all of the spares, but I had issues with the 10, so I started to use my spare ball (straight) and got rid of the 10 problem... I have no problem now with the right side spares... But now I am having horrible problems with the 4, 7 and 8 and any of their combinations... I always used 3-6-9 system but it seems to don't work with left side pins... I would like advice on boards to step on and to release the ball for this pins (The 2 also if you can )

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omegabowler

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2004, 03:21:17 PM »
are you hooking at them or going straight? if you are going straight, pivot on your target 3 ,6,9 etc..

straight at spares is the only way. you never have to worry about carry down crossing the track etc..

I just to miss 7 out of 10 left side spares when I hooked at them. now I miss 1 out of 10 ( on most nights )

You have to close your stance for left side spares. feet hips and shoulder.

then find the target that you can consistently hit the 7 pin from. I base mine on 3rd arrow. from there it's 3 boards left for the 4 and so on. split the board count on multi pins.

4/7 = 1.5 board adjustment.


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GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 03:48:47 PM »
Thanks Omega... I'll try that and see how it works... I am throwing a straight ball for spares now (3 weeks more or less)...

Any other advice?? other systems to try???

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 04:08:11 PM »
More than likely your problem is with body alignment. Because we hook the ball we tend to face the cetner of our body in the direction we are hooking the ball. The problem becomes when not hooking the ball our bodies are facing away from our targets. You need to face the pin/target in your stance and maintain that position through your entire approach and finish. When you learn to be comfortable with this, you will see that you are making the vast majority of your spares.

 Additionally, you should try to be smart about choosing your starting and spotting targets for different spares.  For example, I am comfortable with shoot the 9,3,6 and 10 pins from a single target 24th board.  If I draw a line through that target straight to in inside of the tenpin, the ball is wide enough to contact all the pins listed. Because of this I move only a few boards on my starting positon to cover all the spares and or combinations of these spares. The real exeception is the double wood cobination of the 3,9 which requires some hook to get the back pin.  I use 26the board to  shoot the 7,2,4,8 pins except for the 2,8 combination where I utilize my strike line to hook into it.  Again drawing a straight line I only have to move a few boards with my feet to cover all these spares and I am not faced with going through the thickest oil in the center of the lane.  The real benifit for me with the right side spares is that it helps me to face the pins correctly because it is not so exterme as when I am trying to face them from the third arrow.

I hope this helps
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GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 05:13:51 PM »
Thanks, I am working on body alignment since past week because I was told of it... I think maybe is something about the boards i am using... So, help me on something more... What board should I stand on and what board should I aim??? (Thats for 2,4,7,8) Omega told where to aim but not where to stand

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2004, 05:33:04 PM »
I Stand on 25 to shoot the 4 pin (looking at 26), but that accounts for my drift.
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GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2004, 07:22:18 PM »
Well, thanks both... I'll try your systems and I'll keep the one that goes better for me
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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2004, 07:50:57 PM »
i stand on the fifth board with my right foot and throw over the center arrow for 7 pins
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GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2004, 10:49:49 AM »
Hmmm another different method... Tomorrow I'll be 4,7,8 pin hunting...

Anyone else wants to post his/her method???
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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2004, 11:28:20 AM »
Any more ideas would be great for me, too!!  I've been having the exact same problem.  I rarely miss the corners with the straight ball -- it's those stinkin' "other" pins that are giving me fits.  I think my spare % has dropped to 25%!!  At least my strike % is going through the roof with the X-Factor....

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GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2004, 08:23:12 PM »
Hey Nollster, lets wait and see who whats to reply to this... I want to see more diferent systems-Angles
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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2004, 08:52:58 PM »
Pin chaser offered the best advice - you have to square up for the left side spares.  Suggestion - when you shoot the left side, pull your left foot back and exaggerate pointing your shoulders and hips to the left.  Most of us have developed a stance with the right foot back and shoulders open to allow for some swing.  If you swing at the left side with plastic you are in trouble.

As for where you stand, that's up to you to figure out, because your starting point and your target will vary depending on your approach, if you fade or walk straight.  It doesn't matter what you look at, although the trend among pros seems to be to shoot the left side using the 4th, 5th or even 6th arrow rather than going the old-fashioned "cross lane" by using the 3rd or 2nd arrow.

OR there is no rule that you have to use your plastic ball on the left.  I only use plastic for the 10 pin, 6-10 and 3-6-10 on a house shot.  If the shot is flat I do use plastic everywhere because you never know if the ball will hook or not.

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Nollster

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2004, 06:43:43 AM »
I'm definitely seeing better results if I move toward the middle for the corners.  I'm struggling with the line for the 8 and 9.  I usually miss just slightly to the inside of those pins...

GendouIkari

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2004, 07:07:14 PM »
Thanks MCM I used to pick spares like that but sometimes on carrydown or finding others lines my spares overhooked, thats why I am changing to straight... But your post was complete and useful for a lot of us here

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Re: Help on spare system
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2004, 07:13:55 PM »
This is the system I use.

Start off with your plastic ball and a full rack of pins. Aim for the middle arrow (4th arrow, 20th board) throw the ball straight by breaking your wrist back and moving your index finger closer to your middle finger and your pinky away from your ring finger, and try to pick the 10 pin cleanly from the full rack of pins without hitting any other pins. Adjust your feet until you feel that you are standing in the right place to accomplish this on command. Then move your feet 15 boards right, aim for the middle arrow again and throw the ball straight, you should be able to pick the 7 pin cleanly from the rack from this position. It also helps to align your self with the pin you are aiming at, instead of the foul line. If you move your feet 5 boards right of where you shoot the 10 pin clean, you should have the 9 pin and if you move your feet 5 more boards right of that, should be the 8 pin.
 
For instance I throw a plastic ball straight at all of my spares and use the middle arrow for all of my spares, I will be standing on 37 to shoot a 10 pin, 32 for a 9 pin, 27 for an 8 pin and 22 for a 7 pin. The only time I change this is if I leave a washout, then I stand on 35, and aim for the 5th arrow and line up towards the 2 pin so I don't leave the ball to the right.
 
Like any spare shooting system it relys on you hitting your target and throwing the ball straight, if either of those things go wrong, you are likely to miss.
 
This takes a lot of practice, so be patient.
 
Good Luck