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ccrider

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Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« on: October 22, 2008, 08:29:17 AM »
I noticed last night that by the third game of our 5 man league, my ball speed had dropped from 15mph to 13.5 (quibica), or so. I never gave it much thought before, but came to realyze that I had not changed anything in my approach or delivery to cause the drop in speed. The lane conditions had changed dramatically, with there being no oil left up front, and very little in the middle of the lane. So, I guess that the increased friction has a substantial impact on ball speed down the lane.

Am I correct about this?

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2008, 04:35:38 PM »
You are very much correct.

Try going to something more polished if you want the ball to maintain speed longer.
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ccrider

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 04:50:57 PM »
At first I thought I may have gotten tentative with my armswing. But when I became conscious of the reduced speed, I checked myself to make sure that I had not.

I am 6'1'' and weigh 190lbs. I have been working on increasing my ball swing, but somewhere around 14.5 to 15 mph works best with my rev rate. By the third game, if I am not forcing myself to throw harder, it is almost impossible for me to get the ball up to 15mph. Of course, when I do, good things seem to happen. I guess I will keep working on  my game to increase my ball speed, while maintaining my accuracy.

I am also having an ultra zone drilled with the pin and cg at 11:00 and will polish it as needed to see if that works in the later games.

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 04:53:32 PM »
To get a little more ballspeed, you may exaggerate your armswing a little more...making your ball drop from higher. It doesn't affect your timing very much, and you'll gain the speed without forcing it.
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ccrider

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 05:02:34 PM »
I have been trying that and it works to keep me around 14 or so. I think I am going to have to force myself to throw the ball faster, and then work back to accuracy from there. I am in good health, athletic and have good arm strength. I just naturally tend to finesse the ball when bowling. Sometime my release is so smooth you can not hear the ball touch the lane.
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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 11:35:31 AM »
You're right, and to confirm your observation throw a ball the same way but move left well into the oil.  Your Qubica speed will be back up.  --  JohnP

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 06:47:24 PM »
Qubica measures ball speed down near the end of the lane between two spots about 8 feet apart (or so I have been told.) The precise details are not important, what is important is that as the lanes dry out during play, one gets more hook, most of which takes place at the back end. The ball going at an angle into the pocket spends more time between the two Qubica marks than the ball going straight through the two marks.  (It actually travels a longer distance between the two marks.) Longer time between marks, slower speed on the Qubica readout.

Some ball speed measurement systems measure closer to the foul line, I think. I am certainly not an expert on this but I did check into ball speed measurements at one time, resulting in my comment above.

Perhaps some with more specific knowledge of Qubica etc. technology can shed some further light on this subject.
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ccrider

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 07:05:45 PM »
Interesting. I wondered about where the speed is measured at with Quibica.


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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 07:46:15 PM »
One can also send a shot more into the friction outside and be in that friction area longer and result in less speed in that end area of the lane where Qubica measures.

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 08:07:20 PM »
Your exact ball speed is irrellevant though, as long as you keep your ball speed relatively the same the whole time you are in good shape.

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 11:07:17 AM »
Tenpin,

Are you saying that you don't have to increase ball speed as the lanes dry out up front?

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Re: Lane Oil and Ball Speed.
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2008, 12:06:48 PM »
My best sets when Qubica was around were when my ball speed stayed within about 1/2 mph on almost all shots.  

This means one is finding the right amount of oil in the front and the right amount of friction in the back and also keeping the delivery pretty constant.

Both factors are important.  Delivery and finding the oil/friction.

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