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njbowl

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High Average record?
« on: June 06, 2005, 01:01:24 PM »
We all know Rev O's exploits this year. What is the record for a sanctioned season average?
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2005, 09:19:33 AM »
Jeff
It never ceases to amaze me who is on this forum.
Even if they gave you your on personal preference for the pattern
261 is an incredible accomplishment.
How mant 800 series did you have that season?
Do you also hold the record for 800 series in a single season?

I will never understand why people find it necessary to bash exceptional performances.

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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2005, 09:28:25 AM »
it doesnt matter how easy or hard the shot is, you still have to execute. have the focus to avg 261 over a whole season is pretty good. im sure that not all of jeff's 100+ 300 games were in that season or in that house.
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2005, 09:49:59 AM »
It's pretty unbelievable that there's a debate whether this accomplishment should be questioned because it was on an 'easy' shot.  Was it a scorable pattern? I've never bowled on it, but even without considering Jeff's average there was also a 230 averaged on it.  That tells me it's scorable.  Well no kidding, do you think it's possible to hit a dime for 100 games in a league atmosphere...and carry?  Hell no.
Having said that, I'm sure it wasn't the easiest pattern the world has ever seen either.  Pete Weber, WRW as many other greats have bowled on cake league patterns.  Have they averaged 260?  I don't think so.
It's aggravating that whenever someone puts up a number that 99.999% of all people well never be able to come close to matching, there is always the ignorant person out there stating the bowler must have had some great advantage the rest of us will never have, allowing him to accomplish such a feat.  Until you average 262 and are able to tell the world how easy it is, shut up and congratulate the man.
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Jeff Carter

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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2005, 10:12:12 AM »
The only reason that i chimed in on this topic was the bashing of home center by somebody that has only known the sport of bowling in the reactive era. I've been bashed across this country for years and that debate is old and tired. I could care less about the record, and to be honest never really cared about it in the first place. My goals in this sport are strictly on the proffessional level now and to me that is all that really matters. I dont even like talking about the average or 300 game records anymore because you just cant have a discussion about something that really doesnt mean anything. These are league records for god sake. Did i make a fortune from these accomplishments ? No. Will they get me in the Hall of Fame ? No. Do they make me as good as Walter or Pete ? No. All they did was create discussion around the country about whats wrong with the sport. I appreciate the support that ive received over the years from several people that i have never met and probably never will. Its nice to know that people are out there with kind things to say about somebody that they dont know. People just need to realize that having heated discussions about league conditions are totally worthless. What you average in league doesnt affect your life in any way whatsoever. How much money you make in tournaments does, and thats where my focus lies. The problem lies in the younger players that only know the high scoring environment that we live in today and then thing that if somebody does something extraordinary, it must have been handed to them. Dustin, you say you have bowled at King Pin. Do you really realize what makes for a high scoring environment ? Lane conditions are really about number 4 or 5 on the list. You have the condition of the pin decks, flat gutters, kickbacks, height of the gutters, tilt of the pin deck, weight of the pins, condition of the pins, type of oil used, type of lane machine used, and most importantly in my opinion is the ability of the mechanics to maintain the lanes/machines in a way that lane conditions can be consistent from night to night and week to week. Dont come on here and talk about how Stevie Wonder could average 235 there. Unless you are prepared to come over and shoe up in a league or two, dont make statements that are baseless. You also stated that you know somebody that couldnt avg 175, yet that person averaged 220 at King Pin ? I highly doubt that King Pin will put about 45 pins on your average. So instead of everybody spending all of their time touting their accomplishments on meaningless league conditions, use that energy on promoting the real sport. Support the PBA, support local and national tournaments, get involved in the local junior program, become a certified instructor and whatever else will help make the sport grow. Bashing people and bowling centers will do nothing but set us back farther. There is a reason why we cant get national recognition and become an Olympic sport. Now you just have to ask yourself if you are part of the problem or part of the solution !
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2005, 10:20:10 AM »
Hey Jeff,
Well said!!!!

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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2005, 10:36:01 AM »
Well said... It's no wonder our sport's reputation is not as good as it was in the old days...
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2005, 11:03:44 AM »
Well said Jeff.

Outstanding point Bob.
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2005, 11:26:21 AM »
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Bashing people and bowling centers will do nothing but set us back farther


Great point, Jeff.  I think that far too often, the proprietors and owners of the bowling centers are portrayed as the "root of all evil" in the decline of bowling or the loss of integrity in the sport.  They are business owners out to make money in no way different than business owners in any other industry.  To make money, you give the customer (in our case, the bowler) what (s)he wants or you're out of business.  Bashing the proprietors won't help the situation.

Likewise, I don't like to criticize bowlers that want the easy scoring environment.  They want to bowl and enjoy "high" scores.  It's a good thing they do, too, because they pay the bills to keep the bowling centers open, otherwise those of us that yearn for a return of "integrity" would have no place to bowl!

If we want a change in the scoring environment, it must start with the bowlers seeing a need for change and communicating their desires to the proprietors and organizing bodies.  As MichiganBowling often states, that isn't going to happen unless the bowlers are educated and see the need.  Complaining and pointing fingers is not educating.

As far as any records go, whether high average or number of games or what have you, what credentials does a bowler need before people here say, "well, so-and-so is just a fantastic player" instead of saying "oh, it must have been an easy condition".  If it was Walter Ray Williams or Dick Webber or Mark Roth or Earl Anthony that set the record, why should that somehow make the record any more believable?  Just because they have PBA titles, they are "allowed" to set records?
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2005, 12:28:26 PM »
Very well said Jeff.  What I really want to know is DID YOU or DID YOU NOT play the seventh arrow on the second shift?  I would have paid admission to see that action.  I get nose bleeds when I start approaching the FOURTH arrow, I admit that swinging the ball is not my forte, but my god, SEVENTH ARROW.  BTW, I looked every week to see where you stood last year for every stop, and I'll be rooting for you this year also.  I have the utmost respect for the effort you give going for the dream.  Most of us, especially myself, would like to spend a squad in you shoes, especially if it meant playing that deep, just one time.

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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2005, 01:16:11 PM »
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I would go a step further and say that averaging 261 on the softest condition imagineable is just as big a feat as averaging 230 on a sport condition.  The skill and ability to repeat shots is certainly comparable.  




I guess this begs another question.  It may be easy to find, but I took my lazy pill today.  Anyone know the highest sanction Sport Bowling league average?
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2005, 01:21:23 PM »
I am almost positive it is between 230-232  but I dont think much more than that.  i know to make the top 50  it is 201 and some change
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Jeff Carter

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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2005, 01:28:52 PM »
Brett, to answer your question i was usually between 25-30 on the late nights. Never had to get much deeper than that though. King Pin used to be guardian in the heads and they went away pretty quick, so i have always started at 20 or farther left.
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2005, 01:43:55 PM »
Thanks Bob.
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2005, 12:00:30 AM »
high sport average is 238.47.

Next highest is 230 something, followed by a bunch of mid 220's.

Jeff, there is no way you should even have responded after the last idiotic post by that junior. Anyone who has no time to respect the english language does not deserve out respect.

Around here, we had a kid average 252 for the second half of bowling (only 18 years old). Averaged 249 for the first half. Sick to say the least (and he's a slow speed stroker). Averaging 211 so far in our summer sport league at the same house.

For reference (to show how much i suck), I'm averaging 227 on the house and 193 on the sport.
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Re: High Average record?
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2005, 12:08:07 AM »
Isn't it Jeff Mop from this site that has the highest sport bowling average?

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