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HamPster

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The Proshop as a Business
« on: January 21, 2004, 01:02:41 AM »
I wrote this a month or two ago after dealing with a particularly irritating, ignorant, and wholly incompetent customer.  I'm not saying all pro shops are perfect, however.

That’s exactly what it is, a business, so it must be treated like one.  It’s not a tradepost where wares can be bartered for or bargained for.  The prices in our shop have been established due to thorough calculations that reflect the amount we have deemed necessary for us to operate.  The idea that you should receive a discount because you feel our prices are too high is unreasonable.  This is not the way a true business works.  Discounts or coupons may be offered, but will most likely be declined if requested.  We pride ourselves on the level of quality and professionalism with which we operate, and changing our methods or altering the way we do business can only detract from our service.  This being said, we offer prices that are among the most reasonable in the country.  Bowling is an expensive business, and we have no control over the amounts we pay for the equipment.  As we cannot “bargain” with our supplier, you as our customer must understand that whereas we may offer promotions or specials, the price we pay remains the same, and we are doing the best we can to present you with prices as low as they are.  Thank you.


I've posted this once before, but there are new users on the site, and this may be beneficial for them to think about.  Again, I'm not saying that all shops are perfect, but it's up to YOU to do the research and weigh the facts.  Too many people nowadays only look at the price and then have the asinine nerve to complain about what they receive.
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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2004, 04:14:40 PM »
Forgive me, but to be insulted because somebody wants to haggle is how your posts read, and if that's the case, I would hope every customer would go to you and haggle.  Haggling is a normal part of everyday business.  Yes costs are fixed, but how is a customer to know that you are not willing to haggle without trying?  If you walk up to a street vendor and pay full price, they've just ripped you off.  If you go to a car dealer and don't try and get the price brought down, they just ripped you off.  Not every place is like that, but most specialty shops are, and that's what a pro-shop is.  I have a pro-shop guy I use regularly when he's in town, and I do get a discount.  Of course, he knows that if he doesn't make his price competitive, I buy elsewhere.  So far I've bought 4 balls of him since, and that's after I already had him drilled 3 others I bought on-line.  He became competitve to get my business, and he got it.  Sure his margins is not what it is off of other bowlers, but he is making more than if he's just drilling.

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2004, 04:25:57 PM »
How is it a rip off?  You must make profit to cover costs and end up with profit at the end.  If we lowered our prices, we'd be ripping OURSELVES off.  It's in no way worth it to spend the time, money, and go through the stress of impatient, ignorant customers to break even at the end of the month.  Other pro shop operators know what I'm talking about.  I've never tried to get something for nothing, from the first day I set foot in this shop (before I worked here) I paid EVERY CENT I was charged without so much as a word other than "thank you."  You want to go to college just to graduate and earn minimum wage?  I'll wager to guess that many people that read this get paid more than they're worth, and know it too.  I still maintain that my boss and I aren't being paid enough.
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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2004, 04:49:54 PM »
Hmm, the ball is $189.99 (price includes drilling), the grips are $5 apiece, and the slug is $10, so with our tax rate of $.072, you're out the door at $225.  So basically, the extra 15 bucks you pay us gets you liability, free surface adjustments, thumbhole work, a couple free games.
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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2004, 04:55:55 PM »
omg thats cheap compared to over in this area.

Over here youd pay 189 just for the ball. Drilling will run from 40(if you buy ther ball from shop) to 70(buy elsewhere).

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2004, 05:17:09 PM »
OK here's my view on it.

I've bought balls online and balls in the shop.  My local shop couldn't compete with the balls I've bought online (a Piranha which Columbia made a mistake marketing and made the price WAY too much, and a Yellow Dot which isn't made anymore.)

However, I have bought 5 balls at the local shop in the last 3 years (Attack Zone, Messenger, Black Messenger, Track Magic, Hyde) and when you buy from a shop you know exactly what you're getting.  You can get them to order a ball with a >4 inch pin if you so desire, you get serious discounts on ball work, and, YES, a regular customer has a better chance of getting a discount than a haggler will.  Because a business owner knows that if he does a customer right, he will get more business from that customer.

I know the music business really well, been involved in it off and on for a long time.  Everyone knows that you're not going to pay the "suggested retail price" for an instrument.  There is some sort of break involved, and it varies by store, overhead, business size, etc.  It is the same type of thing.  If you constantly beat someone over the head about a sale price, one of two things will happen:  1) you're not going to be an appreciated customer, or 2) the business will go out of business (case with Mars music a couple years ago), if it happens often enough.
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jd1319

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 05:21:57 PM »
Hamster, I didn't mean to imply your shop was ripping people off, but a great many industries base their sale prices with negotiation amounts already factord in.  If you don't attempt to haggle, you could be getting ripped off.  You may very well be offering very good prices, but most pro shops I've seen are selling at retail, which in no way is a good price for the consumer.  

The pro-shop at my favorite house, the price for a phenom-unleashed out the door was 257 after taxes and inserts.  (no slug or free games)  The X-factor reloaded, 254.  

The majority of the shops I've seen, are in the same range.  

I apologize for making it sound as if I was referring to you, but I have come accross very few pro shops that actually have competitve pricing.  If your shop was in my area, I'd be happy to shop there considering from the price you quoted, your prices seem very fair.  


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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 05:32:04 PM »
Posting again... other one was getting wordy.

Small music stores get repeat business, same as pro shops.  The trick is, the bad customers may get a discount once.  If they're recognized again, they are NOT getting that discount and will go somewhere else.  If you'll notice, people that are bad customers generally do NOT patronize any one place above another, regardless of product.

A good business will attract good customers.  I drive an hour and a half to Louisville every 3 months to get guitar/banjo strings, a fiddle bow here and there, little stuff.  I could order that online, I could buy it someplace close.  You know why I drive there to do that?
1)  serious bulk discount.  I can buy 24 sets of strings for 5 bucks a set.
2)  I bought a guitar there and a) they did $40 worth of work right away for free, and b) had the sales tax waved.  I said, "How'd that happen?"  "You live in Ohio, right?"  "Yeah."  "Sales tax doesn't cross state lines when it's shipped."  "I'm here, though."  "Virtual shipping.  It says the credit card purchase came from Ohio.  We take care of our customers."

The guy just saved me 6% of almost $1300.  Without asking.  And I've never bought guitar strings from anywhere else again.  It's no secret why people will drive for hours to come to this place.

Now I understand a pro shop isn't going to make 1300 on one customer in a single swipe.  But it's little things like that that HamRes knows will a) keep his existing customers coming to him, and b) word of mouth gets new customers, who will become repeat customers.

But even with good businesses, with good customer service... start haggling and you're not doing yourself any service in the long run.

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2004, 05:47:14 PM »
quote:
Hamster, I didn't mean to imply your shop was ripping people off, but a great many industries base their sale prices with negotiation amounts already factord in.  If you don't attempt to haggle, you could be getting ripped off.  You may very well be offering very good prices, but most pro shops I've seen are selling at retail, which in no way is a good price for the consumer.  

The pro-shop at my favorite house, the price for a phenom-unleashed out the door was 257 after taxes and inserts.  (no slug or free games)  The X-factor reloaded, 254.  

The majority of the shops I've seen, are in the same range.  

I apologize for making it sound as if I was referring to you, but I have come accross very few pro shops that actually have competitve pricing.  If your shop was in my area, I'd be happy to shop there considering from the price you quoted, your prices seem very fair.  




I disagree.

I paid $260 for my Phenom Unleashed after everything was done.

I researched before hand the cost of purchasing it online and then from there getting it drilled and the inserts plugged in. Guess what? It would have been approximately the same price. So there really was no benefit.

Not to mention I like buying from the Pro Shop because the pro always had several models of a particular ball and looked for the best one to drill for me. Not to mention the ability to have the ball drilled and finished up the same day which never will happen if you buy a ball online.

No thanks, I will stick to the pro shop.

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 05:54:15 PM »
wow prices where ever u are pretty high...my proshop charges 210 with slug/grips i get it for cheaper but thats a different story...i guess i never realized how lucky i was

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2004, 06:42:32 PM »
David, the guy at another pro-shop who cut me a deal on my phenom, got it to me for 220 out the door, this wasn't on-line, just another proshop in the same city.  

If I were to have bought it online, 150 for the ball, 15 for shipping, 50 for inserts and drilling, for 215.  Even though it was a little bit more expensive, I didn't have a problem paying 5-10 extra, it's the 45-50 that makes me balk.

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2004, 08:46:15 PM »
I am having an extremely feeling of deja vu..................

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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2004, 08:49:01 PM »
x-reloaded here is $199, with drilling and inserts included.


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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2004, 10:26:41 PM »
COMMENT: BOWLING.COM .. XFACTOR RELOADED $154.95 DELIVERED .. if you spend $50 for drilling with slug/inserts (and that PLENTY) total cost is $205 .. if you can get drilling with with slug/inserts for $30 total cost is $185 ..
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Re: The Proshop as a Business
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2004, 10:57:59 PM »
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David, the guy at another pro-shop who cut me a deal on my phenom, got it to me for 220 out the door, this wasn't on-line, just another proshop in the same city.  

If I were to have bought it online, 150 for the ball, 15 for shipping, 50 for inserts and drilling, for 215.  Even though it was a little bit more expensive, I didn't have a problem paying 5-10 extra, it's the 45-50 that makes me balk.


What state do you live in?

Not sure if location has anything to do with it.